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post #61 of 92 (permalink) Old 12-02-2008, 11:57 AM
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It's not an excuse Damone, merely a reason. He lost that fight not based on skill, but because he gassed about as horribly as ive ever seen someone gas. Stupid decision to return at that time. He came back way too early and before he was in shape, and deservedly got his arse kicked for his efforts. Probably got too cocky and thought he could finish it quick before he got tired; because he had to know he was out of shape.

It just didn't look like the Frank Mir we've all seen him be...that's all. Yeah, its a shame that we talk about the "old Mir", but i think that guy is starting to resurface. Hopefully we see him against Nog because that will give us a good fight (win or lose). If the Mir that showed up in 2007 appears though....it's gonna be a cake walk for Nog.
Cruz pretty much kicked the guy's ass. I really wouldn't say that Mir lost because he simply gassed and wasn't prepared. Cruz fed the guy elbows and just destroyed him. Cruz won because he was much better on the ground, not because Frank Mir's evil twin brother showed up.

In the Christison fight, it was his own fault that he dined on nothing but Del Taco in preparation for the fight. Embarrassing performance from Mir, but that has more to do with his laziness rather than the accident. Hell, Mir even said that he was lazy and wanted to eat nothing but Del Taco a while back.

I still don't believe in this resurface. He beat Hardonk (Who is a kickboxer with a shitty ground game) and Brock Lesnar (Who was 1-0 at the time and was debuting in the UFC). That doesn't tell me much, especially since Mir was getting his ass kicked by Lesnar and was saved by a gift stand-up.
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Whats with some folk calling Mir "Mur"? Am i missing something?

Thats how Brock Lesner pronounces it.

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I know Mir straight up got his arse kicked against Cruz, i said as much (you are reading my entire posts right?). But to say it wouldn't have been a different story on the ground if Mir wasn't practically passing out from exhaustion is just silly. Cruz was able to dominate beacuse Mir was useless that night.

You don't believe in the resurface and thats cool....but you don't know for sure. I have faith that Mir is getting back to his old self....but i don't know for sure either.

I think some of my posts are being misinterpreted by some of you. I think some of you believe that i think Mir will beat Nog; i don't. I think Nog will most likely win their fight, and i don't think Mir has had enough time to bring his cardio up to 5 rounds....but i still maintain that in the early rounds, he is a dangerous fighter on the ground and i don't think he is getting enough credit for this.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing, black or white. I think some of you get so hung up on your own opinions that it becomes difficult for you guys to even acknowledge the possibility that something other than what you imagine could happen. You'll disagree with that sentiment....but that's my take on a lot of posters on this board.

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So Frank Mir used to be good in his prime, and since returning to the UFC, has done lack luster. Why would I expect him to beat Nog again?
I think the article is saying he IS in his prime. He was goo dwhen he first got into the UFC and was subbing people no problem. He got into an accident and over three fights was in terrible shape. Judging by the way Mir came into the Brock fight he's in REALLY good shape now. He's dedicated to training and he's a much smarter fighter. I think his prime is NOW not before. I've always been one to think that fighters peak around their late 20s early 30s because of the experience they gain. I doubt he'll beat Nog but I think it'll be a damn good fight. Nog's got good stand-up but he isn't known for knockin' fools out. Mir has a little bit heavier hands but from the last we saw, less than stellar stand-up. But Mir knows that too and I honestly think he's going to keep teh fight standing and try to work something in on Nog, even though I doubt that'd work. I see Nog winning it either way, but I'm saying its going to be entertaining no matter what.


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Yeah, Mir was getting his ass handed to him by Brock. But so did Herring and so did Randy. You can't hold it against him, everyone who's fought him says he hits like a truck.

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It doesn't have to be all or nothing, black or white. I think some of you get so hung up on your own opinions that it becomes difficult for you guys to even acknowledge the possibility that something other than what you imagine could happen. You'll disagree with that sentiment....but that's my take on a lot of posters on this board.
True, but it's hard to actually come up with a reason as to why Mir has a shot. Nogueira is better in every category, and Mir's cardio is garbage, always has been. In order to beat Nog, you have to go 25 minutes, and I don't think Mir can go that long.

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Am I the only one who thinks Mir wasn't even that good before his accident?

He's got a couple of good wins but he's always had sub-par wrestling, weak standup and terrible cardio.
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Am I the only one who thinks Mir wasn't even that good before his accident?

He's got a couple of good wins but he's always had sub-par wrestling, weak standup and terrible cardio.
I'm pretty much with you on this one. I just don't think he was ever really tested.

I mean he won a ton of his fights in the first round, so we never saw how bad his cardio was back then. As well, it isn't like his opponents before or after Tim Sylvia have exactly been top notch (excluding Brock who i still feel is "unproven", so to speak).


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...No one is saying Mir will win (well, im not anyway), but there ARE ways for it to theoretically happen. I think Mir will gas and Nog will win by sub or UD....but in the early rounds i think it will be close.
I was agreeing with your earlier points, but I for one would like to take it a step forward and say Frank Mir will win. How? Because his submission game is scary, he will either catch Nog or make Nog second guess himself and get caught with a hit, then get finished.

All you other guys made tons of arguments breaking down how much more experienced Nog is, points that I do take into consideration. With all the accolades Nog brings, one thing that sticks out is that he does not always finish. Mir can and will. Mir is the better fighter and will prove it.
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I was agreeing with your earlier points, but I for one would like to take it a step forward and say Frank Mir will win. How? Because his submission game is scary, he will either catch Nog or make Nog second guess himself and get caught with a hit, then get finished.

All you other guys made tons of arguments breaking down how much more experienced Nog is, points that I do take into consideration. With all the accolades Nog brings, one thing that sticks out is that he does not always finish. Mir can and will. Mir is the better fighter and will prove it.
You want to make a sig bet? id love to. Mir doesnt stand a chance.
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Am I the only one who thinks Mir wasn't even that good before his accident?

He's got a couple of good wins but he's always had sub-par wrestling, weak standup and terrible cardio.
I like Mir a lot because the guy is awesome to watch but I agree.

Mir was overrated before the accident because he was the UFC champion when the division blew.

Mir is a fun submission guy with like you said sub par wrestling, weak stand up and terrible cardio.
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