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post #1 of 92 (permalink) Old 11-30-2008, 06:51 PM Thread Starter
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Mir vs. Nog, I never thought about it this way.

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1. This is NOT my post, I took it off some guy on Sherdog
2. I still think Nog will viciously murder Mir, but I think it's a good post that deserves some attention.

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Frank Mir started his UFC career debuting against a very high level BJJ practitioner in Roberto Traven (Mundial winner and an ADCC champion) Frank Mir who was a purple belt at the time and in only his 1st UFC bout submitted the Black belt in under 2 minutes, very impressive debut, Everyone took notice, even Nog was impressed (He stated it in an interview)

Frank was then pitted against UFC Veteran Pete Williams, Pete who had faced the likes of Kevin Randleman, Semmy Schilt and former UFC HW Champion Ricco Rodriguez had never been submitted in his career, Frank Mir in his 2nd UFC bout submitted him in 46 seconds, with a very IMPRESSIVE shoulder lock (My Favourite submission finish to date)

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Frank Mir in his 3rd UFC Bout was then thrown to Ian Freeman, a crafty veteran who held (At that time) a 13-5 record. Ian dedicated the fight to his dad who had just passed away, the fight was held in Ian’s hometown in London England. The fight started and Mir got caught with a right early, Mir to the fight to the ground and went for submission recklessly (A rookie mistake) Ian faught through most of the submission attempts but then got caught in a legit heel hook, He hit mir with an illegal strike and got out of it.



Big John didn’t stop the fight or warn Freeman for god knows what reason, everything went downhill from there for Mir, he gassed out and took some vicious GnP. The fight was stopped at the end of the first. This was Mir’s first loss.

David ‘’Tank’’ Abbot was returning , the UFC hyped him up to the max, they wanted to give him a ‘’gimmi’’ fight before they put him in the title picture, they pitted him up against Frank Mir, thinking Tank would do to Mir what Freeman did.
Frank in again, 46 seconds took Tank down and submitted him with a vicious toe hold, a very big upset at the time and a big win for Mir in only his 6th MMA bout.



Next up for Frank Mir was Wes Sims, Frank took him down strait away and mounted him, went for an armbar but Sims got out, he then began to stomp Mir, Sims was then disqualified.

Mir got a chance for redemption, He completely dominated Sims in the rematch, taking him down, mounting him and going for submissions, 1st round was a 10-7 round if i've ever seen one. Mir then won via Knock out in the 2nd round.



Frank Mir was the put up against the undefeated UFC Heavyweight champion in Tim Sylvia. Tim who seemed unstoppable at the time had a 16-0 record and had big wins over Ricco Rodriguez, Cabbage, Whitehead, Lambert, Gan Magee and Ben Rothwell. Frank Mir was a huge underdog coming into this fight,.
Mir put Sylvia in a armbar in just 40 seconds and snapped his forearm in half, the referee stopped the fight and Frank Mir was crowned UFC Heavyweight champion.



Frank Mir was then involved in a very serious motorcycle accident, the accident caused a break in Mir's femur and tore all the ligaments in his knee. The bone had broken in two places, doctors told Mir he may not be able to walk again, let alone go back to fighting.
Mir was then stripped of the title and a interim Heavyweight champion was crowned in Andrei Arlovski.

Mir who was NO WHERE near 100% returned to the octagon a year after being told he may never walk again. He was put in against a high level BJJ Black belt in Marcio ‘’Pe de Pano’’ Cruz.

The fight started and went straight to the mat, Cruz landed a few strikes that caused a cut on Mir’s face, Referee Herb Dean stopped the fight to check on the cut, Mir told him he couldn’t see out of one eye, Mir showed great heart in continuing and was then stopped as he wasn’t defending himself.

NOTE: Mir was nowhere near ready for this fight; he went against doctors orders because he
needed the money.

Mir then got a gimmie fight in Dan Christison, even though Mir won he didn’t look ‘’impressive’’ he couldn’t train for the fight because of his leg and came into the fight way out of shape.

Mir was then put in against young up and comer in Brandon Vera, Vera who was undefeated at the time caught Mir with a right hook and a Knee, Mir was TKOed in the first round.

NOTE: Mir was still not cleared to fight by the doctors.

Mir then rededicated himself and got into fighting shape, he was also finally cleared by the doctors and was said to be in the best shape of his life.
He returned to the octagon 8 months late and scored a first round Kimura win over Antoni Hardonk.

He then was put in against UFC newcomer Brock lesnar. Brock Lesnar in only his 2nd MMA fight ever was favoured over Mir, Most people doubted Mir and said Brock would beat him (Including most Sherdoggers) Mir submitted Brock within the first minute via a Kneebar.



Frank is now in the best shape of his life, he has a chance to win back something he never lost and to win it back he has to go through one of his idols, he will be in shape and he will make it a fight, I personally can’t wait to see it.

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After reading this I thought: Wow, the best fighter to beat him would be someone with great bjj and good standup. This is nog.

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Good post, but Nog is going to kill Mir.




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So Frank Mir used to be good in his prime, and since returning to the UFC, has done lack luster. Why would I expect him to beat Nog again?




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So Frank Mir used to be good in his prime, and since returning to the UFC, has done lack luster. Why would I expect him to beat Nog again?
the article is trying to point out that mir did poorly after coming back from the accident because he didn't give it time to heal. now that he's recovered he's done much better.

that was a nice find, and proves that not everyone on sherdog is a complete idiot. i still think nogs going to win the fight though. we'll get a competitive first round, and nog will begin to dominate as mir gasses.

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I cannot believe Mir didn't have medical clearance as the sherdog poster claimed and yet he was still allowed to fight. The big difference between Frank's first fight and Nog is that Nog is a better mma bjj practioner Traven. All the other wins to me are pointless b/c they aren't against top level comp. guys like Fedor, Werdum, Cro Cop, Barnett all guys Nog has fought and beaten with the one glaring blemish being Fedor. The poster is trying to say he is better than he really is but using past fights against crappy fighters, no matter how you spin Nog is the better fighter, bjj buy and champion.
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the article is trying to point out that mir did poorly after coming back from the accident because he didn't give it time to heal. now that he's recovered he's done much better.

that was a nice find, and proves that not everyone on sherdog is a complete idiot. i still think nogs going to win the fight though. we'll get a competitive first round, and nog will begin to dominate as mir gasses.
Idk, Dana White says he was fine for the Vera fight, he was just mentally ****ed. Mir even talks about the reason he started doing better was b/c of some advice his wife gave him after the Vera fight.




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The only thing this post made me think is Nog wasn't going to beat him as easily as I thought, but he still will beat Mur pretty easily.



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frank mur will lose
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Mur is gonna get raped...but he has some fkn sick submissions. His Kimura on Hardonk was also insane
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