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Old 12-03-2008, 09:11 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Nate Diaz had some good throws against a solid veteran in Josh Neer who was also the stronger guy in that fight. I don't think that his takedowns are bad at all.
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Old 12-04-2008, 07:12 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Your wording was: "You don't really NEED wrestling to be the best in your wieght class, especially when you are badass off your back. Look at Anderson Silva". I understood this to mean that Anderson Silva does not have wrestling. If that's not what you meant, then okay.

Anderson has the best striking in the MW division. I don't think we'll ever be able to say Nate has the best BJJ in the LW division.
Oh no my bad I just meant Anderson doesn't NEED his wrestling to be the best in his weightclass, cuz he can fall back on his awesome BJJ. That's what I am saying Nate is capable of. He's only 22 or 23 and still has a good 9-10 years before he reaches his prime and he's already beating good fighters.

GSP started out at this age beating so-so fighters and he lacked a good BJJ game amnd KO power for a long time and now look at him. Same with Anderson, he was never really that GREAT until a few years ago. Good but never great like he is now. I'm just sayin Nate has enough time to get waaaay better, and he's already pretty good. Half-decent wrestling skills and lack of KO power aside, he's still winning fights against good fighters.


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I won't deny that he has potential, but I don't think he'll ever be number one in a weight class as stacked as LW. I hope he learns from his brother's mistake, and realizes taking copious amounts of punches to the face doesn't count as striking defense.


Not getting defensive, just stating my opinion on where I think he stands in the division. That's what the thread is about.
Guess we just gotta agree to disagree then.
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WL2FU one point is though that GSP a young prospect but so were other guys and a most of them didn't become top guys. I mean it was him, Nick Diaz, Karo Paryisian and Robbie Lawler.

Right now you have Nate Diaz, Tyson Griffin, Frankie Edgar, Roger Huerta, Thiago Taveras, Matt Wiman, and that's just in the UFC the young LW's outside of the UFC are amazing.

Nate is stuck in a division of wrestlers who have better stand up then him which is why he needs wrestling because he will need to get fights to the ground against Griffin, Edgar, and Huerta.
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All I said to begin with was that he had potential and I gotta good feeling about him. Obviously I can't predict the future so I'm done arguing about this, lol.

It's just like your Werdum prediction last year bbjd.
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O if it's that it makes sense I'm just trying to see where you are coming from thats all.

I see alot of talent in Diaz I just think he will be screwed because of the division he is in.
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O if it's that it makes sense I'm just trying to see where you are coming from thats all.

I see alot of talent in Diaz I just think he will be screwed because of the division he is in.
I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter if everyone else wrestles him to the ground because that's pretty much where he wants to be anyway.
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I also don't think you REALLY need wrestling to cut it in the LW, or any division if you have a sick ground game.

Sure, you need the base, and functional control of wrestling to hold the dude down, or to get him down to work your ground game, but against another wrestler, which is what 90% of the LW division is comprised of, you don't really need great TD ability to get to your zone.

Fortunately for Nate, he's got some sweet Judo throws, very adequate TDD (don't know why he'd even want to use it), and he's also got the already mentioned ground game that makes the ground his once it gets there.

I think if you want to be a great wrestler, you need to have a ground game. I think it's pretty lame for someone to apply strict wrestling the whole match to win, they should be able to take dude down and apply subs and all that shit, not vice versa.
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I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter if everyone else wrestles him to the ground because that's pretty much where he wants to be anyway.
Yeah but Maynard was pretty green when they fought on TUF, and he was still able to escape several of his submissions and land some effective GnP. Also, their wrestling makes it easier for them to keep the fight standing, where Nate would be at a disadvantage against most top fighters.
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When you are a grappler in a division of wrestlers you can do fine if you have better stand up look at BJ.

However Frank Edgar, Tyson Griffin, Roger Huerta those guys are all better strikers then Nate and Nate won't be able to get them down.

Wrestler/Striker combos are tough things for guys like Nate to beat.
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