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View Poll Results: Can GSP take Penn down?

Whenever he wants... 87 69.60%
Only after Penn gasses... 32 25.60%
Hellz no. BJ can defend GSP's takedown all night long. 6 4.80%
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Old 12-03-2008, 05:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I picked at will, but I don't think that's the best description. Penn has some sick TDD, and wacky bendystraw legs. But GSP's wrestling is as good as anyone could really hope to have. He has a size and strength advantage and is extremely explosive. So while it might not necessarily happen WHENEVER he wants, if GSP wants to take Penn to the ground, he'll take Penn to the ground.
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Old 12-03-2008, 08:18 AM   #12 (permalink)
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He'll take him down after a while. Keeping him down will be the big problem.
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:22 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I voted for "whenever he wants" as well BUT In the first round he will feel him out a bit, size his reach (what he knows some thing about) then shoot. Penn had a good game plan against Sherk, used his REACH to keep him at bay. I believe GSP has a longer reach (I think) if not the same. GSP will then use his quikness and timing to shoot in whenever he wants, keeping him down I think GSP can do as well then GnP for a 3rd round TKO
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Whenever he wants....

Question is...Does he want to?? BJ is very dangerous off his back, and good enough to transition into better positions once on the ground. He may not bother defending the takedown that hard & just pull guard. I don't think GSP will have any issues at all with the size/strength advantage taking him down, but am interested to see if he really wants to spend that much time on the ground with BJ. Like someone said earlier, I expect GSP to mix it up a lot like he did with Serra to keep BJ from getting into any kind of rhythm in any position.
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:25 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Does anyone remember the GSP vs Josh Koshcheck fight? I know that BJ's BJJ is top notch, but I really don't think that his takedown defense is actually that much better, if at all than Kos'. Kos' wrestling is better than outstanding, and he couldn't even stuff GSP on his takedowns. I think that GSP has the best functional wrestling for MMA in the UFC. He's going to take down BJ Penn at his own discretion, whenever he wants, from the opening bell until the end of the fight. Like someone said earlier though, what happens once the fight hits the ground is an entirely differently topic altogether.
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:46 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Does anyone remember the GSP vs Josh Koshcheck fight? I know that BJ's BJJ is top notch, but I really don't think that his takedown defense is actually that much better, if at all than Kos'. Kos' wrestling is better than outstanding, and he couldn't even stuff GSP on his takedowns. I think that GSP has the best functional wrestling for MMA in the UFC. He's going to take down BJ Penn at his own discretion, whenever he wants, from the opening bell until the end of the fight. Like someone said earlier though, what happens once the fight hits the ground is an entirely differently topic altogether.
Agreed. Was going to mention Kos too. Penn has good TD defense, but GSP's mma wrestling is pure awesomeness. Like others said I doubt it'll be "whenever he wants to", but it'll be "easy enough" for him to do it.

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Whenever he wants....

Question is...Does he want to?? BJ is very dangerous off his back, and good enough to transition into better positions once on the ground. He may not bother defending the takedown that hard & just pull guard. I don't think GSP will have any issues at all with the size/strength advantage taking him down, but am interested to see if he really wants to spend that much time on the ground with BJ. Like someone said earlier, I expect GSP to mix it up a lot like he did with Serra to keep BJ from getting into any kind of rhythm in any position.
GSP > Penn standing, GSP > Penn wrestling, and I doubt either can exactly sub each other so I would say they are about even on subs and sub defense.
GSP will most likely take Penn down though and serve him some G&P, but I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped Penn standing either.
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Agreed. Was going to mention Kos too. Penn has good TD defense, but GSP's mma wrestling is pure awesomeness. Like others said I doubt it'll be "whenever he wants to", but it'll be "easy enough" for him to do it.


GSP > Penn standing, GSP > Penn wrestling, and I doubt either can exactly sub each other so I would say they are about even on subs and sub defense.
GSP will most likely take Penn down though and serve him some G&P, but I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped Penn standing either.
You do realise BJ hasnt even looked remotely hurt by anyone? The guy takes a punch like its a gentle breeze
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Penn's takedown defense is perhaps the best out there. On top of that, he has great ability to squirm and move around and get back to his feet. GSP will have trouble getting him down early in the fight and when he does, Penn will pop right back up. GSP's insane conditioning is going to play a key role in this fight
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Agreed. Was going to mention Kos too. Penn has good TD defense, but GSP's mma wrestling is pure awesomeness. Like others said I doubt it'll be "whenever he wants to", but it'll be "easy enough" for him to do it.


GSP > Penn standing, GSP > Penn wrestling, and I doubt either can exactly sub each other so I would say they are about even on subs and sub defense.
GSP will most likely take Penn down though and serve him some G&P, but I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped Penn standing either.
WHAT???

I love GSP, but I really don't understand why he gets all this love for his stand up.

BJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GSP standing.
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Old 12-03-2008, 11:53 AM   #20 (permalink)
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You do realise BJ hasnt even looked remotely hurt by anyone? The guy takes a punch like its a gentle breeze
Got Dropped (but not finished) by Serra. And TKOed by Hughes. Didn't look like "a gentle breeze" on either case, gassed or not.

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WHAT???

I love GSP, but I really don't understand why he gets all this love for his stand up.

BJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GSP standing.
Meh, Penn had the reach advantage over Sherk and Stevenson on LW which made his stand up look more awesome than it is, not to mention Sherk and Stevenson got pretty horible stand up overall. Pulver does have solid stand up with KO power, but to be fair he went down to feather weight for a reason.

Basically he wont jab himself to victory against GSP like he did against Sherk, because of similiar'ish reach. Overall GSP's stand up is much smoother and versatile than Penn's, which combined with his awesome conditioning will make a difference like Terror Kovenant mentioned. I still think wrestling will play a bigger role than stand up on this fight, but I wouldn't hesitate to bet my money on GSP if it was only a kick boxing fight too.
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