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Old 12-05-2008, 01:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 12-05-2008, 02:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 12-05-2008, 04:36 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Amazing that the 3 of you pick Rampage after he got ktfo twice by Wanderlei and a third time in the same exact fashion against Shogun just a few months after. I doubt Rampage learned any lesson from these losses yet or maybe he just can't help it, this myu thai clinch is and will always be the big hole in his game and no matter how hard he trains for it he just can't deal with it.
But TBH what worries me the most is all this s*** he has to deal with in his personal life and his current state of mind.
Rampage at 100% can be the most dangerous opponent for anybody, but when the mind is not there, he becomes a complete different fighter... In his last fight against Forrest, not taking any credit away from Forrest, he fought smart and great but I didn't feel Rampage was there mentally (am I the only one?) and IMO that's mainly why he lost the fight.
Have you guys seen his interview where he talks about his next fight, his new training etc.? Please watch it til the end and tell me if you see a focused and confident man or an anxious dude that lost the fight even before stepping in the cage. At the end of the video it's almost like he's got tears in his eyes, I've never seen him like that: http://mmamania.com/2008/11/28/quint...-ufc-92-video/
I also posted a thread about this, if you want to read people's reactions: http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/47238-ra...lei-video.html

So to sum it up, he's dealing with tons of problems in his life so it won't be the best Rampage showing up + he just lost his belt + he got ktfo twice by the man he'll be fighting a 3rd time. I really don't see him winning, Silva via vicious (T)KO round 2.

I'm also surprised by your unanimous pick of Forrest against Rashad. I have a harder time calling this fight but I think it could very well be the upset of the night, just like what we've got @ UFC 88.
Forrest is a big LHW but size won't give him that much of an edge as Rashad fought at HW a few times before and never lost despite having a huge size disadvantage against his opponents. (He's not even a big LHW, he could cut to MW).
Rashad haters always bring up his decision wins, saying he can't finish fights etc. But if you take a look at the record of the fighters he won a decision against, you realize that all these guys never or barely got TKOed in their other fights: Bisping (0 TKO loss), Bonnar (1 TKO loss but it was due to cut), Hoger (0), Imes(0), Jara (3), Ramirez (1). So Rashad getting lots of decision wins is more due to the fact that he fought opponents with granite chins than to he's so-called inability to deliver a KO/finish fights. On the other side, in his last 5 fights in the UFC, he's got 3 vicious/put to sleep KOs, which is WOW. No doubt he's got fast and heavy hands and I'm pretty sure Forrest knows it (he better do)...
Rashad is a solid, heavy-handed, well-rounded fighter and so is Forrest, but I see Rashad coming in with a great, very well executed game plan that could give him the edge if the fight goes the distance. Another strength on his side is having Greg Jackson as a coach (Randy's great too) and this training camp that seems excellent, it's like nothing can stop these fighters.
Last but not least, Jardine already fought and TKO'd Forrest + they have this amazing nipple tweak secret lol.

Conclusion, I see either a (T)KO in the early rounds or a decision for Rashad. My opinion.

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Old 12-05-2008, 09:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Forrest to win by decision
Wanderlei to win by KO
Nog to win by submission

With the exception of the Forrest vs. Rashad fight I'm almost certain that's how it'll go. I can't f*ckin' wait to see if I'm right
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Nice video as allways, here is my picks:

Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans - Griffin by 3rd round sub
Will be fight similiar to Griffin vs. Rampage, except Rashad ends up getting sweeped and then subbed after taking Forrest down.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Vs. Frank Mir - Mir by 2nd round sub
Tough to call, agreed it'll stay standing for a bit, but eventually goes to ground and Mir catches Nog with a sub. Could go either way though but Im betting for this slight upset.

CB Dollaway Vs. Mike Massenzio - Massenzio by 1st round sub
Massenzio has pretty solid submission game, Dollaway doesn't. Dollaway gets takedown and ends up getting subbed, pretty much like he has before.

Wanderlei Silva Vs. Quinton Jackson - Silva by decision
I see this being Silva vs. Liddell -like war with no KO this time either. Page will eat some knees but wont get KOed this time. Wandy by 29-28 decision.

Cheick Kongo Vs. Mustapha Al-Turk - Al-Turk by decision
Al-Turk has solid wrestling with good ground and pound while Kongo has pretty horrible ground game. He'll take Kongo down and G&Ps him, but wont finish him down there and ends up winning by decision.

Yushin Okami Vs. Dean Lister - Okami by 2nd round TKO
Pretty much like you said it too. G&P TKO after avoiding few subs.

Antoni Hardonk Vs. Mark Burch - Hardonk by 1st round TKO
Don't think I have seen Burch in action, but he seems to be a general brawler without any special ground game. Fast and entertaining stand up war which hardonk ends up winning.

Matt Hamill Vs. Reese Andy - Hamill by decision
Pretty similiar with Andy vs. Vera fight (except Hammill wont gas out), goes to a decision which Hammill wins thanks to his wrestling. This is with me assuming Hammill doesn't go with an idiot game plan like he did against Franklin and actually uses his wrestling skills.


Ryo Chonan Vs. Brad Blackburn - Chonan by 1st round KO
Chonan is more experienced and has fought better competion. I see him dropping Blackburn on 1st, but then again I have never seen Blackburn in action.

Dan Evensen Vs. Pat Barry - Barry by 1st round KO
Both are pretty no name fighters, but Evensen's stand up looked pretty bad vs. Kongo and Barry seems to be pretty much a brawler with perfect record so I see him dropping Evensen in 1st like Kongo did.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Rampage by UD

Evans by UD

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Old 12-05-2008, 01:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Since there are only 3 fights on this card worthy of mention, im only gonna predict those

Nogueira will hurt Mir with his strikes and tire him out. A battered Mir will basically give nogueaira the submission in the late 2nd round.

Forrest is alot bigger than Rashad. He is by far the more polished striker and will use his length and reach to pick Rashad apart. UD for forrest.

Wanderlei has Rampage's number. I think it will be a competitive fight but Wanderelei will be too much. Wand takes home a decision.

Edit: Tito's size bothered Rashad alot and there were talks about Rashad moving down to MW after that fight.
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:43 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Since there are only 3 fights on this card worthy of mention, im only gonna predict those

Nogueira will hurt Mir with his strikes and tire him out. A battered Mir will basically give nogueaira the submission in the late 2nd round.

Forrest is alot bigger than rashsad. He is by far the more polished striker and will use his legnth and reach to pick Rashad apart. UD for forrest.

Wanderlei has Rampage's number. I think it will be a competitive fight but Wanderelei will be too much. Wand takes home a decision.
I agree with you on the Nog will sub him, but I think it'll only happen if Mir tires and quits. Mir will quit and give up an armbar, that's my prediction.

Sense when has size advantage ever mattered to Rashad? Imes was like.. 6'8 huh and Rashad still connected. Rashad has never been in trouble, and his head movement is to good to be picked apart. Rashad by KO.

I won't bet on this fight because.. I honestly can't tell who's going to win. Rampage hits like a truck, but Wandi has an iron chin. How many shots from Liddell did he take and not go down? I do think that if Rampage can land an uppercut while in the clinch, but I really see it ending in a brawl, with both throwing hooks at each other. Rampage will land one JUST like Hendo did and lay him out.

Of course.. Wandi could just destroy like usual.. I have no idea.

I decided to quote you.. because you were the last post btw.
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Here is my take on the Forrest/Rashad fight:

Forrest isnt going to be stupid like Chuck and leave himself open for the big shot. His movement is beautiful to watch and he gives his opponents all different angles in which to attack. Rashad will have no answer for Forrest's jab and leg kicks. Even in the clinch Forrest will be able to use his height to get those knees right in Rashad's grill. I see Rashad getting frustrated in the standup and he will start to look for takedowns. Forrest has an excellent guard and Evans will find himself no better on the ground then he was on his feet. The longer the fight goes, the less chance Rashad has. Expect Rashad's legs to be brutalized by round 4 or 5, leaving Rashad to basically just swing for the fences. Rashad's best chance to win is early on in the fight when he fresh and still has his legs. If Forrest gets sloppy and lets Rashad get inside, Rashad could put him to sleep. That is pretty much the only way I see Rashad being champ.
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