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post #11 of 24 (permalink) Old 12-05-2008, 09:46 PM
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he is a master of dirty boxing ....
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No not really. He has his style of fighting that he bases his gameplans off of, but it definitely varies within that style when he fights different opponents. Like somebody else said, those gameplans just don't always work

I have to say though, standing in front of brock in the middle of the cage and banging, like he did when he got ktfo'd, was not really a good plan imo. That dude is so damn big, you don't want those hands going anywhere near you.
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not to mention how brilliant his gameplan was in his last fight w/ him not even realizing that brock had a massive reach advantage over him....

shawn tompkins should be ashamed of himself...it's embarrassing...how can you train for one opponent for 10 weeks, focused basically only on randy's striking for brock , and not realize brock has an 82" reach....that is beyond me...
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His gameplan was working though before Brock caught him.

Good gameplans don't always mean you win, just that they put you in a position to do so as long as your opponent doesn't force something big like Brock did clipping him behind the ear.

Had that shot not landed, Brock was tiring quick. Now, naturally, Brock won that fight fair n square....good voctory, mad props and all....but Randy's 'gameplan' had him in it until that big punch, and might have giving him a big advantage by round 4.

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Honestly what else was he supposed to do against Lesnar- he couldn't out wrestle him he tried to a limited effect to hold him up against the cage and do what he normally does but it didn't work. Was he going to hold Lesnar down on the ground and pound him out? No. Was he going to sub him? No. So he tried to come in with a lighter weight to attempt to use quickness against him- he tried he failed.

Seriously what would you have done as Randy against Lesnar- size wise you are dominated and certain things you might be able to do wouldn't work.

If you want to just pile on then pile on but he tried a tactic but it didn't work.


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His gameplan was working though before Brock caught him.

Good gameplans don't always mean you win, just that they put you in a position to do so as long as your opponent doesn't force something big like Brock did clipping him behind the ear.

Had that shot not landed, Brock was tiring quick. Now, naturally, Brock won that fight fair n square....good voctory, mad props and all....but Randy's 'gameplan' had him in it until that big punch, and might have giving him a big advantage by round 4.
so he had him by losing round 1 and getting rocked early in round 2....aside from gassing brock and landing a weak left hook that caused a cut, how on earth was randy 'working brock'....he was losing and losing pretty clearly....
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not to mention how brilliant his gameplan was in his last fight w/ him not even realizing that brock had a massive reach advantage over him....

shawn tompkins should be ashamed of himself...it's embarrassing...how can you train for one opponent for 10 weeks, focused basically only on randy's striking for brock , and not realize brock has an 82" reach....that is beyond me...
Sylvia had a huge reach advantage too and Randy did fine striking against him. Lesnar was a bad match-up for Randy - he had a huge strength, size and weight advantage, much like Sylvia. But unlike Sylvia he's also got speed, and he's a good wrestler.

So striking with him is dangerous, holding him against the cage is difficult, and trying to take him down is pretty much futile. I'd've done the same thing that Randy did. Push the pace, try to throw Lesnar off by switching it up between striking, clinching, and grappling, and take the fight into deep waters where you'll have a better chance of either finishing him or winning enough rounds to get the decision. The dangerous part is the beginning, when Lesnar's fresh, and Randy just happened to get caught. It happens.

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With all due respect, you are perhaps the biggest Lesnar nuthugger (hate the term) on this board mate, so of course you are going to have that opinion.

I'm not sure how you can argue that trying to tire the beast out to level the playing field isn't a plausible gameplan, and if you agree or not, it was happening. Brock was looking the worse for wear. Randy needed to survive long enough for brock to get tired and lose some of his significant explosive/athletic advantage (the attributes everyone agrees are his best assets). Obviously he didn't...and big credit to Brock for ending the fight and taking it away from Randy. But Randy was still there until the very end, instituting his gameplan as best he could....and it was working.

Yes, Brock was winning the fight from the beginning....but so was Foreman against Ali until he gassed.

Like has been said, a good gameplan can only do so much for you.

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I feel like the long lay off hurt Randy more than anybody expected. He was very slow on his feet against Brock and didn't move all well as he did against Sylvia for example. His footwork was awful and that's why he got caught IMO.
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I feel like the long lay off hurt Randy more than anybody expected. He was very slow on his feet against Brock and didn't move all well as he did against Sylvia for example. His footwork was awful and that's why he got caught IMO.
didn't he have a layoff similar in length b4 the tim fight tho?
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