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Old 12-05-2008, 10:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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finally some BJJ skill at 205
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yep agree! i think if he trains hard he will be a force in lhw... i can see him subbing a lot of guys in lhw
Shogun and Thiago Silva are great grapplers. Not mundial champs, but still great MMA-BJJ players.

Vinny's a great BJJ grappler, but I'm still not convinced that his MMA grappling is as good.

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Old 12-05-2008, 10:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Dear God i hope Vinny learns to use his hands better! He doesn't even need TDD his jitz is so good.

Forrest is a pretty good grappler, and flying armbars on him 3 times?! Hah, outstanding! Wonder how much that has helped Forrest's grappling?
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Considering Vinny's not even the best grappler at Xtreme Couture I doubt it's made much of a difference with Forrest's ground game Flak.

I mean Jacare, Maia, and Drysdale are all there no offense to Vinny but they are all better.

Also whats with this thought that no one has BJJ at LHW?

Shogun, Thiago, and Forrest are all very good grapplers.

Vinny isn't a good MMA fighter he has a 2-2 record for a reason. I like him and think he has a bright future but this guy is overrated right now.

To Junie the guy needs to start owning up to things but supposedly he's doing well living with Tompkins so hopefully that works well.
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No way really? He looked pretty good to me

There was no way I was going to read anything that long that has that dudes picture at the top of it.

I don't want to ever see him again unless he's fighting Kimbo or Brock or Big John McCarthy in a death match.
Ditto.

I do not want to see this guy fight in the UFC, ever.
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Considering Vinny's not even the best grappler at Xtreme Couture I doubt it's made much of a difference with Forrest's ground game Flak.

I mean Jacare, Maia, and Drysdale are all there no offense to Vinny but they are all better.

Also whats with this thought that no one has BJJ at LHW?

Shogun, Thiago, and Forrest are all very good grapplers.

Vinny isn't a good MMA fighter he has a 2-2 record for a reason. I like him and think he has a bright future but this guy is overrated right now.

To Junie the guy needs to start owning up to things but supposedly he's doing well living with Tompkins so hopefully that works well.
only way to find out. lets see how he deals with bader
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. I like him and think he has a bright future but this guy is overrated right now.


... hes not even ranked. he doesn't even have a UFC contract yet..

how is he overrated?
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Old 12-05-2008, 10:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Considering people have decided this is the best grappler at 205 and that he will submit everyone just by getting them to the ground that's why I would say he's a bit overrated.
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who u think is the best grappler in 205 ufc? imo shogun , silva , machida? their are not many top lhw grapplers in ufc lhw imo
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Shogun and Silva are both very skilled grapplers. Shogun outgrappled Arona on the ground who won ADCC something Vinny never hasn't done.

Vinny has great pure BJJ but look at his record he hasn't translated it to MMA well and honestly the guys he beat on TUF weren't exactly grappling wizards.
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who u think is the best grappler in 205 ufc? imo shogun , silva , machida? their are not many top lhw grapplers in ufc lhw imo
I think a better question is, when was the last time you saw someone won by submission by something other than a RNC @ 205.
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