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Old 12-11-2008, 09:05 PM   #101 (permalink)
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For somebody that hates Tito you sure do like talking about him coldcall

I like to try to assist those of you that are not as capable of recognizing decline that it does in fact exist and its in the form of Tito Ortiz..........

People constantly say he's a top fighter......The Legend list your top ten lhw currently for me please........
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:09 PM   #102 (permalink)
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They are just examples of guys that are better than him.....and for the record when you draw....its not a win....Tiot aint winnin uless he's cheatin and in this case that didnt even help him......Tito did nothing either or one point from a fence grab wouldnt have been enought to cause him to draw........ u know this ZZ
I never said he was good, but beating Rashad for 15 minutes (the guy you have listed as the 2nd best in the division) has got to make him relevant. He definitely declined, but he still beat Rashad at every aspect of fighting for 15 minutes. U know that.
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:12 PM   #103 (permalink)
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I like to try to assist those of you that are not as capable of recognizing decline that it does in fact exist and its in the form of Tito Ortiz..........

People constantly say he's a top fighter......The Legend list your top ten lhw currently for me please........
Tito is not in my top ten right now because he hasn't been fighting enough but that doesn't mean I don't think he could still beat top 10 LHW's.
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:13 PM   #104 (permalink)
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Of course it would have. He wouldn't have been tired or bleeding out of his face, either. But if he had been knocked down like that two minutes into the fight, and Machida had been fresh, he wouldn't even have caught the triangle.

If his technique had been good, it wouldn't have been a serious issue.
He showed technique that no one had seen him exercise in MMA before. You crapped on him for a lack of versatility, yet he almost pulled a submission win over a guy who has never been beaten that trains with the Nogueiras on the ground. He may not have finished it, but I think that it nullifies the claim he lacks versatility as a fighter, and earns him more credit than you seem willing to give. Am I saying Tito will be a champ again in the UFC? Definitely not, because he hasn't got as many weapons as the top guys in the LHW division. Does that mean he doesn't deserve to be there? Absolutely not, there's still plenty of entertaining match-ups that he could be involved in.

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Old 12-11-2008, 09:31 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Tito can still compete at a decent level, I would like to see a rematch with Wanderlei and a fight with Shogun does interest me.

I'll go ahead and mention it, even though it's already a hot discussion. Tito had Machida in a triangle at the end of their fight. Putting Machida in trouble is something no one has ever done before, he put a triangle on a guy that rolls with Nog and is considered by many to be the next king of the Light Heavies.

Also being discussed is his fight with Rashad. Going to a draw with Rashad is impressive as well, Chuck was on his way to some form of a decision, draw, etc.. until, you know, he got knocked out. Now Rashad is figthing for the title. It would have been as simple as not grabbing the cage and Rashad would not be fighting for a title right now.

So.. although I agree that Tito won't be a champion again, I also believe that Thiago Silva, Liddell, Rashad, few others I cannot think of at the moment, will not be champion either, yet they deserve to be in the UFC.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:27 AM   #106 (permalink)
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Tito is not in my top ten right now because he hasn't been fighting enough but that doesn't mean I don't think he could still beat top 10 LHW's.
I believe this is true. And I'm not even a Tito fan.
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Old 12-13-2008, 03:49 AM   #107 (permalink)
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tito is not what he used to be ...cause i think hes better ...lol . he dont get the belt and the fame and glory , but ortiz seems to have better cardio , better subs (asevidenced agaist machida ) and isnt scared to stand with anyone ( vitor , chuck , rashad , griffen , ....) he beat the current lhw champ ....not that long ago ....but hes now irrelevent and not top ten in his division ?? that is a bit of a mouthful there .....id say bring him back for a rematch with rashad after evans knocks out griffen ...lol .
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