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Old 12-08-2008, 01:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Tito wanted to take him down.

Nakamura didn't really have a gameplan.

Sokky had this strategy but he also has a shit ground game.
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Damn do I really hope Thiago pulls this off.
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Tito wanted to take him down.

Nakamura didn't really have a gameplan.

Sokky had this strategy but he also has a shit ground game.
What I'm saying, though, is that every fighter that has watched tape on him knows what he does to some extent.

And I'm sure it ESPECIALLY crossed Tito's mind to be ultra-aggressive and not allow Machida to do what he does.

Regardless of trying to read past Machida opponent's minds, it seems to me that everyone wants to push the pace on Machida. But when they do and get a taste of what many on this board call "pitty-pat punches" that Machida throws, I think it hurts. And as a result, they have to be careful moving forward.

No one has gone against Machida saying "Okay, I'm going to let this be a boring fight"

So having a guy say "I'm going to do something no one else has done... I will move forward aggressively on Machida and not let him do what he does." doesn't hold a whole lot of weight with me.

Especially a guy that hasn't fought any top competition (make the excuses you want about Machida, but he has faced tougher competition than Silva has) and has been rocked pretty badly as recently as his last fight.

We'll see come fight night, but I'm all in on Machida.
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If he fights like he says he will, not so sure. To beat those kind of fighters, i think its either all in, or all out. Go for the kill, or be very patient and wait for Machida to stop stepping out of range.

However, you are(well the rest of Machida fans as well) counting on the fact that machida's counterstriking is perfect and unbeatable. Sokoudjou managed to land a few hard shots before he was down and dominated.

Im not saying Thiago has any kind of striking power or speed like Sokoudjou , but his gameplan is not a bad idea, IF he has the tools to actually do it..

But in any case, i see this fight going down more than once.. if Machida has too much pressure, he will clinch, takedown, LnP and wait for a moment to pass and try submissions.

I also see Machida winning, but i honestly dont care about this fight, i dont know much about Thiago Silva, only what kind of fighter he is, and he is cocky. He can be undefeated as well, but his resume is not as good in my opinion.

Just look a little more about his interviews.. says Houston Alexander and James are harder opponents than Machida, something like that. I guess he just meant though as in dangerous at being hurt. It would be ridiculous of him to get a title shot, i have no idea what he is talking about. Same for Machida.


And its not like he traded much with Houston Alexander either, he just put him down and finished him.
sokky has small, fast, powerful combos.

T.Silva will throw hard an entire fight. Sokky might be more powerful for a few combos but outside of the first round T.Silva is far more powerful.
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I think Machida will beat Silva pretty convincingly. Thiago hasn't done anything to make me believe he can beat Machida.
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What I'm saying, though, is that every fighter that has watched tape on him knows what he does to some extent.

And I'm sure it ESPECIALLY crossed Tito's mind to be ultra-aggressive and not allow Machida to do what he does.

Regardless of trying to read past Machida opponent's minds, it seems to me that everyone wants to push the pace on Machida. But when they do and get a taste of what many on this board call "pitty-pat punches" that Machida throws, I think it hurts. And as a result, they have to be careful moving forward.

No one has gone against Machida saying "Okay, I'm going to let this be a boring fight"

So having a guy say "I'm going to do something no one else has done... I will move forward aggressively on Machida and not let him do what he does." doesn't hold a whole lot of weight with me.

Especially a guy that hasn't fought any top competition (make the excuses you want about Machida, but he has faced tougher competition than Silva has) and has been rocked pretty badly as recently as his last fight.

We'll see come fight night, but I'm all in on Machida.
No one has really pushed the pace on Machida in the UFC besides Sokky.

So I hae no clue what you are talking about. Tito did it in the third round and while he got rocked with a knee he also got the fight to the ground and almost won.

Two fighters have really pushed the pace on Machida in the UFC and both had the fight hit the ground that's what Thiago wants. I'm not understanding how pushing the pace against Machida is the wrong gameplan for Thiago?

I understand if you don't think he will win but it is the gameplan that gives him the best chance to win.
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i am soo ******* tired of mahidas bandwagon ... hope it gets smashed by thiago
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What a moron. He's going to counter the fact that machida counter attacks by...attacking...Yeah that'll work!
Should he counter by countering? *Someone* has to attack, and it sure won't be Lyoto "The Snooze" Machida...
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What I'm saying, though, is that every fighter that has watched tape on him knows what he does to some extent.

And I'm sure it ESPECIALLY crossed Tito's mind to be ultra-aggressive and not allow Machida to do what he does.

Regardless of trying to read past Machida opponent's minds, it seems to me that everyone wants to push the pace on Machida. But when they do and get a taste of what many on this board call "pitty-pat punches" that Machida throws, I think it hurts. And as a result, they have to be careful moving forward.

No one has gone against Machida saying "Okay, I'm going to let this be a boring fight"

So having a guy say "I'm going to do something no one else has done... I will move forward aggressively on Machida and not let him do what he does." doesn't hold a whole lot of weight with me.

Especially a guy that hasn't fought any top competition (make the excuses you want about Machida, but he has faced tougher competition than Silva has) and has been rocked pretty badly as recently as his last fight.

We'll see come fight night, but I'm all in on Machida.

Agree with you there. Hence why you cant go half in, its do or die. Tito probably never had the tools to do it. His striking is not bad, but hes not striker really.

About Machida hurting or not, its really relative.. if you say Machida hurts, then a guy like Quinton Jackson must F*CKING hurt, see what i mean? Anybody who has taken a punch in the face knows its not confortable(even with gloves..), but i am guessing for a real fighter, he can take it. Punches on the chin is completly different however, and thats how Machida has dropped people in the past(and people moving on the punches).

Like i said earlier, that gameplan works if you have the tools. And for this guy, i doubt it, but again, i dont know much, i have seen i think 3 fights of him, and i barely remember.

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sokky has small, fast, powerful combos.

T.Silva will throw hard an entire fight. Sokky might be more powerful for a few combos but outside of the first round T.Silva is far more powerful.
I see what you mean, but my point was that Machida is not untouchable. Also, like you said, Thiago can probably throw for a lot longer than Sokoudjou, but my point was rather that Sokoudjou might of had what it took to hit Machida,even if its for the first few mins, while im not sure if Thiago can hit him at all. Against Machida, its more speed and combos that will do the trick, not hitting harder(gotta connect to hit hard ).

I am hoping for T.Silva's prediction, a quick KO so the card can move on.

Or for a sudden machida wake up call and he suddenly starts being offensive, that would be insane. I would jump on his train in that case.
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