Originally Posted by Tango87
As do I. But why blame the guy that is putting the move on. Blame the idiot that chose to be a tough guy and get his arm broken. You hopped on a slippery slope my brother, I'm not saying it's a free for all, I'm just saying that it's a physical/dangerous sport. Things will happen. If Hassan was a sportsman he would have accepted the fact that he lost and tapped. He's an idiot.
I haven't said there was anything wrong with the arm break. I don't think broken limbs have to be anything more than a freak occurance in MMA either though. If I was going to place blame for the broken limb on someone, Hassan would be first, the ref would be next, and Cantwell would be least responsible.
The issue has always been his outward display of his inner self. I don't want to watch guys like that fight.
Originally Posted by NavyChief
My brother, you need to break out your Websters. First, it's not "alpha" but "alfa". The alfa nature in animals (humans included of course, and we even have two more levels...beta and omega) is the desire and achievement of dominance over the other members or your pack, group, family, pride etc. It could be an alfa pair or even an alfa female.
Conscious and unconsciousare simply the physical states of being awake or asleep (in simple terms) as opposed to sub-conscious which is the mental activity just below the level of consciousness (which is where dreams occur for example). Or the unconscious act of breathing or your heart beating.
Those words have nothing to do with any sort of "gift". The "gift" which I believe you are referring is the human conscience which is the recognition (or lack thereof) of morals, right and wrong, etc. This has nothing to do with alfa syndrome or alfa "animals".
Most animals do not possess a true conscience. Simple example: I see a nice bright shiny ball that I really like in the neighbors yard. It's not mine. I know that. Therefore I do not take it. My dog sees the same ball and (if I let her)...away she goes...thinking nothing more than "oh boy oh boy oh boy...I get the ball...I get the ball". She has no concept of it being wrong to take property that is not hers.
Many primates besides humans exhibit a conscience but not all. Sorry to drone on. I am done.
I probably should have said levels of conciousness. At first I thought you were just screwing around, but when I got to your bit about conscience it was clear I'd thrown you off legit.
There is more than one level of consiousness was my real point. When I said animals were unconsiouse/subconsious that was my attempt at defining thier "body consiousness" as the lowest level. It was an attempt at keeping things simple.
Theres a higher level of consiousness humans can attain where the alpha nature (seriously, who cares about spelling...) you are talking about doesn't take precisdent over empathetic or critical thought. It's just a chemical impulse of the physical body, like greed, jelousy or arrogance, which are all just forms of fear. Wanting to seriously harm others in an MMA ring is an expresion of fear of not living up to your egos definition of happyness and success. It's all body consiousness level stuff, and alot of people would indeed reffer to it as unconsious.
Originally Posted by IDL
I really doubt most fighters go in there wanting to injure their opponents. I'm convinced that there is a certain amount of respect fighters have for the sport and their competators. Of course, there are some punks that act like idiots but when you look at the top guys, they seem pretty honerable.
I used to be right there with you, but there seems to be several more fighters relating to Cantwells words than there are decrying them.