Swick vs. Goulet, punches to the back of the head? - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
UFC The Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) is a U.S.-based mixed martial arts organization, recognized as the largest MMA promotion in the world. The UFC is headquartered in Las Vegas, Nevada and is owned and operated by Zuffa, LLC. This promotion is responsible for solidifying the sport's postion in the history-books. UFC is currently undergoing a remarkable surge in popularity, along with greater mainstream media coverage. UFC programming can now be seen on FOX, FX, and FUEL TV in the United States, as well as in 35 other countries worldwide.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 04:48 PM Thread Starter
<= MODERATOR=>
 
Xerxes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,224
                     
Swick vs. Goulet, punches to the back of the head?

I just re-watched Swick/Goulet and felt like Goulet got hit 5 to 10 times to the back and/or top of his head (top of the head falls under the rule too, explained further). It's kinda hard to tell from that camera angle and that's why I'm asking your opinion.

*This is not a controversial thread to question Swick's performance which was impressive IMO or to take anything away from Mike (FYI I was rooting for him)*

This thread is also about this "strikes to the back of the head" rule that confuses me a lot as I saw some fighters getting 1 point deduction for hitting that area a couple of times after being warned once only, and some other fighters not being warned at all for doing it (maybe what happened yesterday?) or being warned 3/4 times or even more and not being penalized afterwards (GSP/Hughes).

Steve Mazzagatti (not the best ref out there but still a ref) was being interviewed to explain his point deduction against Lesnar and he was basically saying "the back of the head is considered to be the center line from the back of the neck (spine area), all the way to the top of the head, basically the mo hawk area" meaning you can't hit anywhere on the spine/back of the neck, center area in the back and top of the head.

Direct link to what Mazzagatti said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKMQ2xoaHjI#t=2m


Full interview:



Discuss.

Last edited by N1; 12-11-2008 at 05:23 PM.
Xerxes is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 04:52 PM
Megaweight
 
CornbreadBB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 5,569
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xerxes View Post
I just re-watched Swick/Goulet and felt like Goulet got hit 5 to 10 times to the back and/or top of his head (top of the head falls under the rule too, explained further). It's kinda hard to tell from that camera angle and that's why I'm asking your opinion.
I was wondering about that during the fight. It looked pretty close to the top/back of the head, but I think it was mostly hammer fists to the side of the head.

Quote:
This thread is also about this "strikes to the back of the head" rule that confuses me a lot as I saw some fighters getting 1 point deduction for hitting that area a couple of times after being warned once only, and some other fighters not being warned at all for doing it (maybe what happened yesterday?) or being warned 3/4 times or even more and not being penalized afterwards (GSP/Hughes).
So it seems like it's up to the ref's discretion.



CornbreadBB is offline  
post #3 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 05:02 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: North Bergen, NJ
Posts: 645
                     
I was thinking the same thing during the fight i was like wow no warning for those shots to the back of the head?? Either way i think this was swicks fight but i still couldn't believe there wasn't atleast a warning for those shots.
jasonc84 is offline  
post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Middleweight
 
Couchwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: the couch
Posts: 2,689
                     
During the fight I thought the shots looked suspicious, but then when I saw the replay it seemed like they all connected either at the side or the top of the head.

In that video with Mazz, when he pulls his piece of paper up along the back of his head he pulls it almost to his forehead, but I doubt that he really means to pull it that far, because he says "all the way to the top of the head", which I think implies that the actual top of the head is not an illegal area to hit.
Couchwarrior is offline  
post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 06:36 PM
Bad boys bad boys!
 
pauly_j's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: GY, England
Posts: 2,477
                     
The further away from his glass chin, the better.

NYBA Champ @ 170!
BEST EVA!
pauly_j is offline  
post #6 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 06:45 PM
Face the Pain
 
Aaronyman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Southwestern Ontario
Posts: 7,021
                     
from what i understand, it's only the base of the skull that should be avoided..i HATE in the midst of punches a guy turns so he's hitting the back of the head...i mean, it's a goddam fight ....it's a stupid rule and needs to be changed
Aaronyman is offline  
post #7 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Lightweight
 
LV 2 H8 U's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NC
Posts: 1,692
                     
Your right it does look like he might have hit him in back of the head.
There are a bunch of inconsistancies between refs in the UFC. There is also so much to keep an eye for them. With the fast action in the Swick fight I don't know if he could have seen the hits, warned Mike and then broke them up in time.
LV 2 H8 U is offline  
post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2008, 07:55 PM Thread Starter
<= MODERATOR=>
 
Xerxes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,224
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchwarrior View Post
In that video with Mazz, when he pulls his piece of paper up along the back of his head he pulls it almost to his forehead, but I doubt that he really means to pull it that far, because he says "all the way to the top of the head", which I think implies that the actual top of the head is not an illegal area to hit.
I'm even more confused now. IMO when he talks about the "Mo Hawk rule" he clearly means the center line of the top of the head falls under this rule. Basically you have to imagine your opponent with a mo hawk (Chuck lol) and avoid hitting him on the hair.
Xerxes is offline  
post #9 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-12-2008, 05:47 AM
Middleweight
 
Couchwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: the couch
Posts: 2,689
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xerxes View Post
I'm even more confused now. IMO when he talks about the "Mo Hawk rule" he clearly means the center line of the top of the head falls under this rule. Basically you have to imagine your opponent with a mo hawk (Chuck lol) and avoid hitting him on the hair.
You're right, I didn't pay attention to that part. So at least according to Mazz then, it's illegal to hit your opponent directly to the back of the head or the neck, or the top of the head all the way to the forehead. That's a huge area.

So then Swick's blows were illegal after all. Or at least would have been if Mazz was reffing.
Couchwarrior is offline  
post #10 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-12-2008, 06:16 AM
-I came|I saw|I failed-
 
plazzman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: The plazzVan
Posts: 9,734
Blog Entries: 3
                     
It's called the mohawk rule. And I think it's pretty lame for anyone to get heated up (not saying you are) about someone landing a strike to the back of the head when a fighter has already been stunned and the other fighter is just pouncing with a flurry. Obviously there's gonna be some strikes landed to the back of the head. After all, the head is round, not square.
plazzman is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome