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Old 12-12-2008, 11:39 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Typically it has been. The heavy guy gives up 10% of his purse to his opponent. This time it looks like 20%, but frankly, i think thats too soft.

50% at least.
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Old 12-12-2008, 11:46 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Not cool.

Am i the only one that thinks the penalty for missing weight is too light?
No doubt about it, this needs to be addressed.
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not making weight doesnt really show much as to what the fighters performance will be like. thiago alves whooped hughes when he didnt make weight. seeing as he'll lose 20% of his purse i doubt he'll make the same mistake again.
Thiago Alves was every bit of 25 pounds bigger than Hughes in that fight and wouldn't have "whooped" squat if Hughes hadn't agreed to fight him last minute at a catch weight. Really costly decision by Hughes but he gave the fans what they wanted.

I like MacDonalds chances, he's a very well rounded fighter who doesn't gas. Isn't Gleason Teabag with ATT too?
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Old 12-13-2008, 12:15 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Old 12-13-2008, 02:17 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Yeah not making weight should be seriously punished. It is your job to make weight, you train for months and showing up there over it just a huge mark of disrespect. I think the punishment should be at least a 50-75% cut in your purse with a warning given so that should you mess up again for whatever reason you don't get paid at all.

EDIT- Shane Primm is going to die so hard against Kryztof

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Old 12-13-2008, 04:00 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I think people are forgetting that there are many reasons that people do not make weight. They are not all dishonorable or disrespectful. If everyone who knew they would have trouble making weight due to injuries pulled out before trying, there would be a lot less fights. If someone loses a fight because they went in to it injured, people consider them warriors, but if they don't make weight because they are injured, they are disrespecting the sport?

Noticing a pattern with a particular gym not making weight is definitely an issue though, and should be addressed. It's perfectly possible that this instance is not injury related at all.
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Old 12-13-2008, 04:21 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I agree, the penalty should be harsher. Maybe like Macdonald gets the win money (since he won the 185 fight by forfeit) but they fight at catchweight for the purse and chance at sub/KO of the night. That would be a substantial penalty, but we'd still get to see the matchup. It's unfair to Macdonald that Gouevia gets to walk in with a size advantage when he contracted for a fight at 185.

I'm just throwing this out there, maybe this suggestion has a downside I'm not seeing. But I think the 20% penalty is pretty light. Imagine if Liddell had walked in 10 lbs heavy for his fight with Jardine? (I choose this example because I remember Liddell was being paid many times more $$$). He would've had a size advantage, and still made more money to show than Jardine. I'm not saying Chuck would ever do this, it's just an example.
This seems like such a logical solution here. You can't expect the guy who made weight to refuse the fight; it'd be bad for everybody. But at the same time, he's getting punished for doing what he was supposed to do. Whether the overweight guy was a slop, injured, or just miscalculated; he should forfeit the winning purse.

Looking at the Luther/Silva fight, the guy misjudged his weight cut and gassed bad (which he usually does anyway). But the Hughes fight was different, Alves looked like he couldn't make weight and made no valiant effort to do so; so came in above weight at peak cardio. I dont like Hughes, but it was unfair and I don't like giving Alves full credit for that victory (almost to the point, it shouldnt reflect in his professional record). If you're pulling advantage with such a big weight cut (Alves, A Silva, GSP), then you should have to do it.

It'd be nice to say f**k you, I'm not fighting if you dont make weight. But that would not fly and it could destroy a fighters reputation and career, even for a top name.

Penalty is way weak
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Old 12-13-2008, 04:25 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I think people are forgetting that there are many reasons that people do not make weight. They are not all dishonorable or disrespectful. If everyone who knew they would have trouble making weight due to injuries pulled out before trying, there would be a lot less fights. If someone loses a fight because they went in to it injured, people consider them warriors, but if they don't make weight because they are injured, they are disrespecting the sport?

Noticing a pattern with a particular gym not making weight is definitely an issue though, and should be addressed. It's perfectly possible that this instance is not injury related at all.
or it could suggest training problems....maybe too intense...i dunno
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Old 12-13-2008, 05:35 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Yeah not making weight should be seriously punished. It is your job to make weight, you train for months and showing up there over it just a huge mark of disrespect. I think the punishment should be at least a 50-75% cut in your purse with a warning given so that should you mess up again for whatever reason you don't get paid at all.

EDIT- Shane Primm is going to die so hard against Kryztof
hopefully after this fight he instantly drops to 185, if he still has the will for a fight career.
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Old 12-13-2008, 10:52 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Am i the only one that thinks the penalty for missing weight is too light?
I think you should have to forfeit about 50% of your purse. These guys are professionals. There is not excuse for missing weight.
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Old 12-13-2008, 01:25 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I have no sympathy for guys that don't make weight.

If guys fought closer to thier natural weight then this wouldn't be an issue, but they're trying to milk the extra advantage of being huge for their weight and making a massive cut.

That's a choice, and if you make that choice then fail to make the cut, then too friggen bad. I hope JMac punishes him.
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