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Old 12-23-2008, 02:54 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I see the UFC shoving Machida to the side even if he beats T. Silva because they really don't want to give him his shot and giving the winner of this fight the next title shot.

I think Machida will get pushed aside(unfairly) but as a Wand fan I'd love to see him to get a title shot. Yes- I think Wand makes it 3 in a row over a improved Rampage.

If Machida dominates T. Silva I'd like to see the excuse or next fight that they schedule for him to "prove" he's worthy.

PPV buys dominates how the UFC makes their matches- yes- good business sense but many times the best fighters aren't pitted against each other because of popularity.

Dana has always said he learned from boxing which is true as they can manipulate supposed "rankings" to name contenders. He did learn well.
well if page beats Silva he deserves his rematch far more than Lyoto deserves his shot. Just bad timing for Lyoto on that one. I'd feel the same way if T.Silva beats Machida and I'm quite the T.Silva nuthugger. If wandy wins he's not getting the shot the winner of Lyoto/T.Silva gets it.
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Old 12-23-2008, 03:42 PM   #22 (permalink)
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its time for the black on black crime
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:16 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Fights Machida for the next title shot.
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Old 12-23-2008, 05:21 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Would Franklin/Hendo be in the mix for a title shot ?
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Old 12-23-2008, 06:21 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Joe: Silva comes out. OMG HE CATCHES RAMPAGE WITH A RIGHT AND A LEFT, RAMPAGE TRIES TO TAKE HIM DOWN, WAND CLINCHES AND KNEE KNEE KNEE KNEE KNEE RAMPAGE IS OUT COLD!

Joe: WAIT! wanderlei is running out of the octagon... HES THROWING A SWING AT FORREST GRIFFIN! OMG HES KOED FORREST!!! HES GRABBED HIS BELT AND IS SCREAMING MY BELT MY BELT AND KOING THE FANS AROUND HIM!!

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Old 12-23-2008, 08:00 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I don't get it??

Why all the love for Machida? Who exactly has he beaten that's top 10 in the LHW division?

Tito Ortiz = no
Sokoudjou = no
Nakamura no
Heath = no
Sam Hoger = no
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:04 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Why all the love for Machida? Who exactly has he beaten that's top 10 in the LHW division?

Tito Ortiz = no
Sokoudjou = no
Nakamura no
Heath = no
Sam Hoger = no
at the time Sokky was. He was extremely overrated and I didn't think he was, but I was later corrected after trying to make the same point you are now.
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:06 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Why all the love for Machida? Who exactly has he beaten that's top 10 in the LHW division?

Tito Ortiz = no
Sokoudjou = no
Nakamura no
Heath = no
Sam Hoger = no
You're looking evaluating Sokoudjou based-on hindsight. He beat two top 10 LHW fighters (Rogerio and Arona) decisively and that catapulted him into the top 10 rankings. Just because Machida and Cain beat him doesn't detract his achievements that broke him into the top 10 in the first place.

Was he over-rated? Perhaps, but at the time he did enough to warrant top 10 status in my opinion (and in the opinions of others on this forum and mma websites/magazines).
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:26 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Why all the love for Machida? Who exactly has he beaten that's top 10 in the LHW division?

Tito Ortiz = no
Sokoudjou = no
Nakamura no
Heath = no
Sam Hoger = no
Tito, WHEN he was defeated, had to be top 10 or very close.

Other than that, that is completly fair.

I have no idea why people say Machida deserves a title shot, EVEN if we just look on paper rather than how he wins.

I made a similar post before, but i will do it again.

Lets look at the former LHW title holders and what they had before a title shot.

Ill start with Rampage, because before that, there was no real question on if a title shot was worthy or not..but you can just look, its obvious anyways.

Rampage : he fought EVERYBODY in Pride before joining the ufc, and was given a warm up fight before his title shot. Himself asked for more fights but Dana wanted to throw him at Chuck right away(for more or less fair reasons). I do not believe he shoved anybody aside by taking that title shot, there was not anybody close to being able to call themselves a title contender.

Dan Henderson : He was the current Pride LHW AND MW champion, making him a very respected fighter. He fought with the best, did not always win, but his win against Wanderlei(AT THE TIME) was something phenomenal and was very promising for Dan.(He did put up a fight anyways)

Griffin : Having a very good record, except a controversial lost to Tito and a devasting TKO to Jardine, he defeated Shogun, who was, AT THE TIME, considered by so many the #1 fighter at LHW in the world(and even P4P), his title shot was deserved based on that last win.

Rashad Evans : Undefeated, like Machida,he actually had less 'big names' under his belt than Machida(even tho the ones Machida has were 5 years ago or so), but his KO over a legend like Chuck, who, if i remember, never had been KOed completly hard by a strike standing, simply puts him up for a title shot. Besides, nobody was in position to get a title shot anyways. Rampage had to fight somebody before getting a rematch for the title, Silva just had 1 win over Jardine, Rua didnt fight yet, Machida getting a title shot after defeating Ortiz would make no sense, so an undefeated Rashad who KTFO Chuck can get a title shot..

Now, how is Machida's win any close to anything mentionned above? Even if he destroys Silva with a spinning elbow, he doesnt deserve a title shot based on his record.. being undefeated is great, if you can beat more than 1 very close to not top 10 guy.. and Thiago Silva is probably #10 or less in the top LHW division.

There is no way Machida is being 'pushed aside' because his fighting style is not fun for some people, or because he isnt marketable. He simply is not there yet.

After he beats Machida, give him a guy like Rashad, or Griffin, and then he can talk about a title shot.
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