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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-22-2008, 09:43 AM Thread Starter
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Who has the most to lose V3

Reese Andy Vs Matt Hamill- This is one of the undercard matches that interests me. Both are excellent wrestlers, who are in need of a win. On one hand we have the IFL stud Reese Andy. Andy made his UFC debut vs Brandon Vera. The fight was boring as hell, but Vera pretty much beat him in the striking game. Just before that, he beat TUF Alum Krystof Soszynski. Then you have Matt the Hammer Hamill, another great wrestler. Hamill just got his A$$ kicked by Rich Franklin, but Ace does that to most people. The victor of this fight will be the stronger, and better striker. That's why I think Hamill takes this one. He is a lot stronger than Hamill, and is the better athlete. I really do not see how Andy wins this one. He's not great at BJJ, he not a great striker, or is not stronger. I'm not very impressed with Hamill, but he should win this one.
Who The Finisher wants to win- Matt Hamill- Very popular guy, who overcame a lot. I would like to see him move forward.
Who The Finisher thinks will win- Matt Hammill
Who Has the Most to lose- Reese Andy: Hamill will be in the UFC regardless, Andy if he losses, will not.

Yushin Okami vs Dean Lister- This fight with should not be on the undercard. Yushin Okami should be in line for a title shot with Anderson Silva, and the UFC should market him more. Okami has a good shot to beating Silva, since he is a very good wrestler. He is fighting a formidable opponent in Dean Lister. Lister has wins oer opponents such as Jeremy Horn and Allesio Sakara. He is well versed in submissions, he is very dangerous on the ground. This will be a classic match-up between the wrestler vs a BJJ stud. Yushin's striking looked a lot better in his fight with the late Evan Tanner. I think Okami would be able to hold his own on the ground if he decides to take him down. But I see Okami trying to trade punches with Lister whom is not so good striking. Either way, I got an Okami victory.
Who The Finisher wants to win- Yushin Okami; I would like to see anyone challange Silva, Okami is a start. In order for this to ever happen, he needs to beat Lister.
Who The Finisher thinks will win- Yushin Okami; Superior striker and wrestler, he will overwhelm Lister.
Who Has the Most to Lose- Yushin Okami; Title shot on the line ( more than likely), a lot of pressure, a lot at stake.

Mustafa Al-Turk vs Cheick Kongo- If you haven't seen Al-Turk fight, you are missing out. Turk has a lot of power and is an excellent striker. All of his wins have came by punches. He is very strong, and opposes his will on opponents. That being said, Kongo might be in for a very long night. While Kongo is a pretty good striker, he doesn't like the pressure coming to him. That is evident in his fight with Heath Herring. In that fight it was clear Kongo was never comfortable in that fight. Herring was in his face the whole fight, and dominated this fight. Kongo has fought the tougher opponents. He did in fact beat Mirko Cro Cop. This fight could go both ways. Either way, I see a knock out. My guess is Al-Turk takes it. He's very aggressive, and takes the fight to you, and that's not a good sign for Kongo. Kongo does have the camp to pull out a win, I don't see it happening.
Who The Finisher want to win- Mustafa Al-Turk: Not a real Kongo fan to be honest. He had his shot when he fought Herring. It would be better for the UFC's HW division if Al-Turk won.
Who The Finisher thinks will win- Al Turk: Like I said, Kongo hates the pressure.
Who Has the Most to Lose- Cheick Kongo- Needs a win badly or he will be burried under a ton of HWs.

Mike Massenzio vs CB Dollaway- This is a very dangerous fight for CB. As seen on his time in the Ultimate Fighter, Dollaway does not have good submission defense. Massenzio has some serious wrestling and BJJ. He is 11-2 overall and has 6 submissions. CB trains at a good camp and seems like a dedicated fighter, but I'm not so sure on how much he improved. His training partner Matthew Riddle improved when he fought in the finale, so maybe Dollaway did the same. We all know CB was the favorite when he was on TUF. He looked fantastic in his first few fights, and was well on his way to winning the whole thing until he ran into Saddalah... twice, losing both times by submissions. I don't think the UFC would give CB some guy that would beat his a$$ so I'm thinking he will end up winning this one. Like I said, he is a dedicated fighter and is in a good camp, he will be just fine.
Who the Finisher wants to win- CB Dollaway: We need a stud in the MW division, CB has a shot.
Who The Finisher thinks will win- CB Dollaway: I see improvements for CB.
Who has the Most to Lose: CB Dollaway- The Tommey Speer treatment could happen to CB if he doesn't win.

Rampage Jackson vs Wanderlei Silva- This is going to be a great fight. I love it when both men hate the living guts out of eachother. The hard part is, I love both fighters. Both of them are fun fighters to watch with interesting personalities. Rampage Jackson is a fun-loving guy who jokes around and has a good time. Wanderlei is a very serious, violent man who cares about the fans. These men have met before twice, as most know. Both of the fights ended up with a Wanderlei win. In Rampage's defense, in one of the fights, Page did take Silva down, and was controlling him. For some reason, the refs stood him up. This will not happen in the UFC. These men has had an interesting path to this point. Silva before KOing Keith Jardine, lost his last three fights to Cro Cop, Hendo and Chuck. Rampage Jackson along with losing his LHW title to Forrest Griffin, got into major legal and mental issues. Rampage has to come in with the right game plan in order to win this fight. If I was him, I would take him down and impose my will on him. Rampage is by far the superior wrestlers. This fight is only three rounds long, so if Page can take two, he's got it. IF Rampage has the same game plan as he did in the fight he had with Forrest, where he just stood there and traded with Forrest, he will be in big trouble. Rampage is not quick on his feet. If he;s not careful, he could get KOd again.
Who the Finisher wants to win- Wanderlei Silva: I love the way Wanderlei fights. He's so aggressive and comes right after his opponents. We've already seen Page and Forrest, and it was epic, but I want to see Forrest and Wanderlei.
Who The Finisher Thinks will win- Wanderlei Silva: My prediction, Rampage is too proud to just take Wanderlei down. And like I said before, if it stays standing Silva's got it.
Who has the Most to Lose- Rampage Jackson: Since Wanderlei is coming off a win, and Page is coming off a loss. You cannot be buried in a very talented LHW division.

Frank Mir vs Minatauro Nogueira- A lot of people are not excited for this fight at all. I however am not one of them. We are going to be treated to two of the best HW ground fighters in all of MMA. While I'm not a fan of either, I believe this could be a fun fight if Mir comes in shape. During the show, I personally saw a slight rift between Nog and Mir. They certainly looked like they weren't friends. I'm trying to figure out a way Mir wins, but the only way I could see it, is if he catches Nog and pounces on him. I doubt he out-strikes him for 5 rounds and I highly doubt he submits Nog ( and vice-versa.) I do think it would be interesting if the fight goes to the ground, to see who has the upper hand. What excites me the most in this fight is the potential for a Brock Lesnar vs Nogueira match. We seen Mir vs Brock, I want to see Brock vs Minatauro. Mainly because I want to see how big Lesnar can make himself.
Who The Finisher Wants to win- Nogueira: I want Brock vs Nog!!
Who The Finisher Thinks will win- Nogueira: Better than Mir at all aspects.
Who has the Most to Lose: The UFC- Mir vs Brock II wouldn't be near as huge as Brock vs Minatauro.

Forrest Griffin vs Rashad Evans- This will be an amazing fight, I'm almost certain. When has Forrest ever been in a boring fight!?! This will be a fun fight because both fighters are extremely well rounded and very hungry. Both of these fighters are light on their feet and have quick hands. Forrest sometimes gets caught with a big punch and Rashad has heavy hands. If Shad takes Forrest down, I do not believe he will keep him there. In the striking game, Forrest is more mythotical on the angles he takes, and focuses more on combinations, than the power punch. Rashad on the other hand has major KO power, which he uses to his advantage. I do give the advantage to Forrest, but it only takes one shot from Rashad. I love this fight because it's the battle of the underdogs. Forrest was not supposed to beat Shogun and Rampage and Rashad wasn't supposed to beat Chuck and Tito. Both of them are in very good shape and train at the best camps. I think this fight goes the distance.
Who The Finisher wants to win- Forrest Griffin: I love the passion he brings into every fight.
Who The Finisher Thinks will win- Forrest Griffin: I think Griffin outworks Rashad and brings a better gameplan to the fight. I can see Rashad winning, but I got Forrest.
Who has the Most to Lose- Forrest Griffin: He's got the title, a lot of pressure is on Forrest.
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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-22-2008, 10:07 AM
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Nice job! I think Ramopage has the most to lose as well, but I see Page taking it this time. Muchj more mature fighter now. I also think Rashad will beat Griffin.

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post #3 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-22-2008, 12:25 PM
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Forrest has the title so he definitely has the most to lose on paper + he's a slight favorite. Rashad's taking it via TKO early rounds or UD.

Same with Nog, he has the most to lose because he's holding the interim title and he's the favorite in that fight. Nog via RNC.

Wandy has the most to lose as he ktfo Page twice already and he's a big favorite. Also another win over Page won't give him as much credit as he'd get if it was their first or second fight. Wandy via KO round 2 or UD.

Kongo has the most to lose as he's a contender and he's fighting Mostafa "Photo coming soon, height and weight n/a" Al-Turk. Kongo via TKO round 2.

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post #4 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-22-2008, 12:49 PM
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I only disagree with you on one fight, and it isn't the winner, just who has more to lose. Rampage vs Silva, I think Silva has more to lose. If Silva loses then he will have lost 4 out of his last 5 fights with his only win being over an underrated Jardine. That will not look good for him. Jackson on the other hand will have only lost to 2 guys in his last 5 fights. 3-2 looks better than 1-4.

Other than that I think you are pretty spot on with who has most to lose.
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I can see where you guys are coming from. But how hard would it be for Rampage to earn a title shot losing 2 straight. At least Wandy won his last fight.
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I can see where you guys are coming from. But how hard would it be for Rampage to earn a title shot losing 2 straight. At least Wandy won his last fight.
But we are talking about most to lose. Title shot vs Job. I think Wandy has the most to lose. He needs this win and he needs it to be big like the Jardine fight so that there are no questions about him staying with the UFC.
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Forrest doesnt have more to lose in that fight even with the title around his waist. If Forrest loses his popularity will keep him around and could get him to another title shot in short time with some nice wins.

Rashad on the other hand is not a fan favorite, in fact hes pretty much the LHW divisions magnet for haters. A loss for him could hurt his prospects very badly and it could take him a long time to work back up to another title shot.

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