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Not alot of love for Hendo/Franklin

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#1 ·
I don't know about you, but I'm 50x more excited about this fight than the GSP/Penn fight. I mean, we've already technically seen them fight before, so the allure of that fight is kind of gone for me.

But the Hendo/Ace fight is just one that I've been craving to see for about 2 years now.

Now this fight has alot of allure and attraction to it in the sense that both dudes are just so good and were bound to face eachother sooner or later, and finally they are.

I'm not too sure on who's going to win this fight, but I'm slightly leaning towards Henderson.

Their styles, in perticular, make this fight one for the ages.

On one hand, you have Hendo, who is probably one of the toughest fighters around. He has fantastic wrestling, and a monster right hand+chin. Also, you have to be on your A+ game to sub this man, as he's very Heath Herring-esque with the sub defense.

On the other, you have an extremely well rounded Franklin who also has good wrestling and striking, as well as a pretty good ground game.

When it comes down to it, though, I think Hendo's chin and brick hands might just be a tad bit too much for Franklin. Now, I'm not ruling anyone out in this fight, and am definitely not picking any definitive winners here, as I love both dudes, but I just think Hendo, if he connects, can really hurt Ace.

But this isn't to say that Ace wouldn't be able to outwork him on the ground and pull out a UD.

Regardless though, I think this is going to be one of the best back and forth fights in a very long time, and I'm more than excited.

It's a shame the GSP/Penn fight is getting so much more hype, even though its AFTER this fight.

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#2 ·
saying "hendo's wrestling is excellent" is alot like saying "Serra's bjj is excellent"...on paper, it's true...but in practicality, it's not....for a couple of reasons:

1) Hendo's top game is TERRIBLE...he had Quinton jackson on his back for a long time and couldn't do anything...barely landed a small strike....same thing w/ Silva...he was content to just lay on him and literally land nothing whatsoever...it was one of the worst displays of lay and pray I've seen in the UFC with Hendo content to ride out the round....somehow he managed to gas doing that...

2) once Hendo gasses, his wrestling isn't that good at all....

and how much longer before we stop hearing about "hendo's big right hand"?....everytime we see him fight in the UFC it's mentioned and almost getting to "myth status"....aside from not setting it up at all, his power has diminished over the last year/year and a half....

Frankly I think that fact that Franklin got destroyed by Silva kinda sets him back a bit, and it really shouldn't....Silva is unbelievably good and Franklin doesn't have the style to beat him....

I see Franklin winning a UD
 
#4 ·
I was talking about his Greco-Roman, and his clinch, obviously not his ground game. The dude has great takedowns and control whilst standing, he's strong as shit, and isn't taken down very easily.

As for the right hand, I think it's pretty justifiable to mention it when he fights because he throws it everytime (doesn't always land) and yes it still has power in it.

Obviously he doesn't have Brock Lesnar's fists, but they sure as shit still pack alot of power and you'd have to be pretty stupid as a fighter to overlook it.

geof0011 said:
I'm excited for both fights in different ways. For the Hendo/Franklin fight, I really like both fighters, so it's hard to cheer for one over the other. I'm leaning more towards Hendo, just because he has had a rough time in the UFC. It should be an awesome fight, and it SHOULD be promoted more, you are completely right.

The GSP/BJ fight is going to be amazing as well. Sure they have fought once before, but they are so completely different now since they had fought last, it's going to be a whole new fight. I think it's deserving the hype it's getting, but I don't think it should completely overshadow the Hendo/Franklin fight. I am however, more excited for this fight than the Hendo/Franklin fight, personally. I want to see BJ get smashed,so he will hopefully stay in his own weight division, and finally give Kenny his well deserved title shot.
Yeah, I understand. It's just that I don't really like it when some fighters/fights are over marketed more than others.

I mean, it seems that the focus of the UFC is solely on a few men, rather than the bigger scope of all the fighters, who also put out some fantastic shows.
 
#3 ·
I'm excited for both fights in different ways. For the Hendo/Franklin fight, I really like both fighters, so it's hard to cheer for one over the other. I'm leaning more towards Hendo, just because he has had a rough time in the UFC. It should be an awesome fight, and it SHOULD be promoted more, you are completely right.

The GSP/BJ fight is going to be amazing as well. Sure they have fought once before, but they are so completely different now since they had fought last, it's going to be a whole new fight. I think it's deserving the hype it's getting, but I don't think it should completely overshadow the Hendo/Franklin fight. I am however, more excited for this fight than the Hendo/Franklin fight, personally. I want to see BJ get smashed,so he will hopefully stay in his own weight division, and finally give Kenny his well deserved title shot.
 
#8 ·
Of course Hendo is an excellent wrestler.

Aaronyman, the Jackson round you were talking about, did Hendo win it? Because I'm damn sure he won the one where he took Silva down. Hendo's excellent wrestling WON him a round against Anderson Silva, that's something nobody else has been able to do. I can't remember the part of the Jackson fight you're talking about. So maybe you can tell me who won that round, I'd love to know.

Did you watch him against Palhares? He used his EXCELLENT wrestling to keep that fight up and outpoint Palhares.
 
#14 ·
This really is a HUGE fight that is getting little-to-no-cred. The only thing that detracts from it is the fact that both guys got destroyed by Anderson, but that's been happening a lot lately to anybody who goes near the guy.

Being sandwiched between the big year-end card and a GSP/Penn sequel(with two extra rounds, no less) definitely hurts it as well. Overseas cards get no respect.

Browncow will be mooing for Rich(as per usual). Ace should be extra-motivated going in knowing that he won't get to corner his bjj coach in the UFC anytime soon. He will look to avenge the cutting of his prized Jorgie-boy.

Did you watch him against Palhares? He used his EXCELLENT wrestling to keep that fight up and outpoint Palhares.
Yeah, but having a substantial height and reach advantage didn't hurt either. Not to mention Palhares kept setting up his takedown attempts with a high kick. Very entertaining to watch the first couple times, no doubt, but it got pretty ridiculous after a while.
 
#13 ·
This is perhaps one of the most even match ups in a long time. I could see this going either way.

Advantages for Franklin: Conditioning, Ace does not gas, ever. Striking, while Hendo may be more powerful, Franklin has more technical striking ability by a mile.

Advantages for Hendo: Power, hes got bricks for hands. Chin/toughness, the dude can take a beating like a man. Wrestling, he can take down and control Ace, but I dont think he'll do much damage on the GnP.

I would consider Franklin to be the faster of the two. If this fight goes for three rounds, Franklin by UD, but either one of them has the capability to knock out or TKO the other.


But if all else fails

LIVER KICK!
 
#15 ·
This is going to be a great, great fight. It's at 205, Henderson is the man at that weight. Rich has already proved that he can perform at that weight.

Oh, and I agree, this is way more interesting than Penn vs GSP 2, which will be GSP grinding out Penn and then finishing him in the later rounds. Hendo vs Franklin is tough to predict.
 
#16 ·
Oh yeah, I'm stoked for this one. Hendo is gonna rain down some leather!!!

I don't see how people can say his wrestling isn't that good, he's one of the best greco roman guys in the sport (coming up short only to randy imo), and that right hand is definitely still there, it's just that in his most recent UFC fights he's fought a couple of guys who either have cinder blocks for heads (rampage), or are too elusive for him to land it convinclingly (silva), but he sure knocked wandy on his ass!!


I don't what Franklin is going to bring to the table besides a slight size advantage.
 
#18 ·
To be honest, i was under the impression that this came AFTER BJ vs GSP. Funny how the hype warped my timeline.

I think Rich is going to dominate in almost every position, with the exception being in the clinch. On the ground, i honestly think Rich will be able to sweep Hendo.
 
#19 ·
It certainly a great fight, I think its bein overlooked just for the fact that neither fighter are really in the title picture in either 205 or 185.

I got to say that this is certainly one of the most difficult fights to make a prediction for...I want Mr.Franklin to win though as Im not a fan of Henderson to be honest.
 
#22 ·
Henderson vs Franklin is a really interesting fight but it makes sense that it's not being hyped.

I mean #1 It has no real impact on a title picture. Neither of these guys are high on the 205 ladder and no one wants Henderson vs Anderson 2 except Henderson and Not even Franklin wants Franklin vs Anderson 3.

#2 They are both just nice I mean some people dislike Henderson but almost everyone likes both of these guys.

#3 This card is stuck between 92 with 3 big fights and 94 with a champion vs champion fight.

Think about it Shogun's return isn't even getting that much hype on a forum full of Shogun lovers (or at least it used to be)
 
#25 ·
Henderson vs Franklin is a really interesting fight but it makes sense that it's not being hyped.

I mean #1 It has no real impact on a title picture. Neither of these guys are high on the 205 ladder and no one wants Henderson vs Anderson 2 except Henderson and Not even Franklin wants Franklin vs Anderson 3.

#2 They are both just nice I mean some people dislike Henderson but almost everyone likes both of these guys.

#3 This card is stuck between 92 with 3 big fights and 94 with a champion vs champion fight.

Think about it Shogun's return isn't even getting that much hype on a forum full of Shogun lovers (or at least it used to be)
It feels like Shogun has been out of commission forever, and his last performance wasn't spectacular. I'm just hoping that knee is fully recovered.
 
#23 ·
There is a lot to look forward to in MMA over the next couple of months. Just a couple years ago the Ace/Hendo fight was one of those dream fights you never thought would ever happen. These two are going to beat each other up in a 3 round war. Rich will pepper Dan from the outside, but Hendo will work over Franklin in the clinch and score a couple of takedowns. Should be a good contender to FotN along with the Lytle/Davis match.
 
#24 ·
93 is an amazing card for sure! Hendo/Franklin is a fight I have been wanting to see forever and it being at 205 makes it even better. Plus the return of Shogun?! And the debut of Kang?

I agree that its just not getting the love it normally would because of all the shows planned.

UFC 92, Dynamite, Sengoku, UFC 93, Day of Reckoning, WEC 38, and UFC 94 are all amazing and all within a month of each other.
 
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#27 ·
They both got knocked out by silva. Thats the first thought I had when I heared of this fight. Thats not generating excitement for me. This fight might be good, but its not interesting for me. I hope franklin wins because I think he has a brighter future than henderson(if this can be said at their age).
 
#32 ·
Man, I love January. It's going to be the MMA month for a very long time.

This PPV has me undecided aswell. I want both dudes to succeed. Kinda leaning towards Franklin though. I wonder if Henderson will ever recieve another fight against Silva?

On January 15th, I get paid. On the 16th, I turn 22. And on the 17th, we get to watch this! Not to mention Fedor vs Arlovski, finally.

Then Thiago vs Lyoto. Maybe the losers of these fights will face one another. It could mean Lyoto vs Rich once again.
 
#41 ·
The hype machine has got to me as well as I thought it was after the penn GSP fight. Thanks for correcting me.

I would rather Franklin wins this but Hendo is a different fighter at LHW to MW. He is one of the few fighters who gets better as he fights above his natural weightclass.
 
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