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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-23-2008, 03:41 PM Thread Starter
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Not alot of love for Hendo/Franklin

I don't know about you, but I'm 50x more excited about this fight than the GSP/Penn fight. I mean, we've already technically seen them fight before, so the allure of that fight is kind of gone for me.

But the Hendo/Ace fight is just one that I've been craving to see for about 2 years now.

Now this fight has alot of allure and attraction to it in the sense that both dudes are just so good and were bound to face eachother sooner or later, and finally they are.

I'm not too sure on who's going to win this fight, but I'm slightly leaning towards Henderson.

Their styles, in perticular, make this fight one for the ages.

On one hand, you have Hendo, who is probably one of the toughest fighters around. He has fantastic wrestling, and a monster right hand+chin. Also, you have to be on your A+ game to sub this man, as he's very Heath Herring-esque with the sub defense.

On the other, you have an extremely well rounded Franklin who also has good wrestling and striking, as well as a pretty good ground game.

When it comes down to it, though, I think Hendo's chin and brick hands might just be a tad bit too much for Franklin. Now, I'm not ruling anyone out in this fight, and am definitely not picking any definitive winners here, as I love both dudes, but I just think Hendo, if he connects, can really hurt Ace.

But this isn't to say that Ace wouldn't be able to outwork him on the ground and pull out a UD.

Regardless though, I think this is going to be one of the best back and forth fights in a very long time, and I'm more than excited.

It's a shame the GSP/Penn fight is getting so much more hype, even though its AFTER this fight.

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post #2 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-23-2008, 03:50 PM
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saying "hendo's wrestling is excellent" is alot like saying "Serra's bjj is excellent"...on paper, it's true...but in practicality, it's not....for a couple of reasons:

1) Hendo's top game is TERRIBLE...he had Quinton jackson on his back for a long time and couldn't do anything...barely landed a small strike....same thing w/ Silva...he was content to just lay on him and literally land nothing whatsoever...it was one of the worst displays of lay and pray I've seen in the UFC with Hendo content to ride out the round....somehow he managed to gas doing that...

2) once Hendo gasses, his wrestling isn't that good at all....

and how much longer before we stop hearing about "hendo's big right hand"?....everytime we see him fight in the UFC it's mentioned and almost getting to "myth status"....aside from not setting it up at all, his power has diminished over the last year/year and a half....

Frankly I think that fact that Franklin got destroyed by Silva kinda sets him back a bit, and it really shouldn't....Silva is unbelievably good and Franklin doesn't have the style to beat him....

I see Franklin winning a UD
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I'm excited for both fights in different ways. For the Hendo/Franklin fight, I really like both fighters, so it's hard to cheer for one over the other. I'm leaning more towards Hendo, just because he has had a rough time in the UFC. It should be an awesome fight, and it SHOULD be promoted more, you are completely right.

The GSP/BJ fight is going to be amazing as well. Sure they have fought once before, but they are so completely different now since they had fought last, it's going to be a whole new fight. I think it's deserving the hype it's getting, but I don't think it should completely overshadow the Hendo/Franklin fight. I am however, more excited for this fight than the Hendo/Franklin fight, personally. I want to see BJ get smashed,so he will hopefully stay in his own weight division, and finally give Kenny his well deserved title shot.
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saying "hendo's wrestling is excellent" is alot like saying "Serra's bjj is excellent"...on paper, it's true...but in practicality, it's not....for a couple of reasons:

1) Hendo's top game is TERRIBLE...he had Quinton jackson on his back for a long time and couldn't do anything...barely landed a small strike....same thing w/ Silva...he was content to just lay on him and literally land nothing whatsoever...it was one of the worst displays of lay and pray I've seen in the UFC with Hendo content to ride out the round....somehow he managed to gas doing that...

2) once Hendo gasses, his wrestling isn't that good at all....

and how much longer before we stop hearing about "hendo's big right hand"?....everytime we see him fight in the UFC it's mentioned and almost getting to "myth status"....aside from not setting it up at all, his power has diminished over the last year/year and a half....

Frankly I think that fact that Franklin got destroyed by Silva kinda sets him back a bit, and it really shouldn't....Silva is unbelievably good and Franklin doesn't have the style to beat him....

I see Franklin winning a UD
I was talking about his Greco-Roman, and his clinch, obviously not his ground game. The dude has great takedowns and control whilst standing, he's strong as shit, and isn't taken down very easily.

As for the right hand, I think it's pretty justifiable to mention it when he fights because he throws it everytime (doesn't always land) and yes it still has power in it.

Obviously he doesn't have Brock Lesnar's fists, but they sure as shit still pack alot of power and you'd have to be pretty stupid as a fighter to overlook it.

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I'm excited for both fights in different ways. For the Hendo/Franklin fight, I really like both fighters, so it's hard to cheer for one over the other. I'm leaning more towards Hendo, just because he has had a rough time in the UFC. It should be an awesome fight, and it SHOULD be promoted more, you are completely right.

The GSP/BJ fight is going to be amazing as well. Sure they have fought once before, but they are so completely different now since they had fought last, it's going to be a whole new fight. I think it's deserving the hype it's getting, but I don't think it should completely overshadow the Hendo/Franklin fight. I am however, more excited for this fight than the Hendo/Franklin fight, personally. I want to see BJ get smashed,so he will hopefully stay in his own weight division, and finally give Kenny his well deserved title shot.
Yeah, I understand. It's just that I don't really like it when some fighters/fights are over marketed more than others.

I mean, it seems that the focus of the UFC is solely on a few men, rather than the bigger scope of all the fighters, who also put out some fantastic shows.
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This fight is going to be awesome. I think Franklin is going to take it and will be considered a top guy at 205. I think he's a bad match up for a lot of guys at 205




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I think Rich is going to outwork Dan for a UD. He'll avoid the big punches and wear Henderson down with leg kicks and body kicks. Dan's chin may be incredible but can he with-stand a brutal liver kick?

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Yeah I was going to mention Franklin's kicks, and yes, that is something to watch for.
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Of course Hendo is an excellent wrestler.

Aaronyman, the Jackson round you were talking about, did Hendo win it? Because I'm damn sure he won the one where he took Silva down. Hendo's excellent wrestling WON him a round against Anderson Silva, that's something nobody else has been able to do. I can't remember the part of the Jackson fight you're talking about. So maybe you can tell me who won that round, I'd love to know.

Did you watch him against Palhares? He used his EXCELLENT wrestling to keep that fight up and outpoint Palhares.

Fedor fights I want to see..

Fedor vs. Josh Barnett
Fedor vs. Randy Couture
Fedor vs. Tim Sylvia - DEMOLISHED
Fedor vs. Andrei Arlovski - DEMOLISHED

hmmmmm, i wonder how many become reality..

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i just can't get into this fight because i don't really want to see it. sure it's probably going to be a good fight but it's like ghandi fighting nelson mandela
who the hell do you root for. and whoever you are rooting for you'll just feel bad afterwards and wish the other guy had have won
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i just can't get into this fight because i don't really want to see it. sure it's probably going to be a good fight but it's like ghandi fighting nelson mandela
who the hell do you root for. and whoever you are rooting for you'll just feel bad afterwards and wish the other guy had have won
Yeah that's why I don't want to lean to heavily on one fighter, I love both dudes, and just happy that this fight is even taking place.
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