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Old 01-05-2009, 10:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:18 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Machida kicked his ass... period.
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Here are things I learned from this fight.

1. Machida cant be bullied by a big strong grappler. The way he tossed a much bigger Tito Ortiz to the ground was one of the most impressive things Ive seen all year.

2. Machida is the best LHW in the world.

3. You can say it was a great gameplan all you want. But Machida faught a very defensive fight. He very rarely wanted to engage with Tito and tried to stay away as much as possible.

4. This fight probably hurt Machida just as much as it helped him. Machida was winning mostly all the exchanges, so why wouldnt he want to engage with Tito more? If he did, he would have put on a much more entertaining fight and might have finished Tito. Since he faught this cautious style, he probably cost himself a title shot. Now he is going to have to beat Thiago Silva, and then probably Forrest Griffin to get a shot at the belt.

5. I dont care what anyone says. Present day Tito, beats old school Tito all day. His striking has gotten so much better its not even funny. Machida just made him look bad. But Machida makes everyone look bad.

6. I am a fan of Tito, but Im not biased here. Dont put the nail in his coffin yet. The guy that is currently wearing the belt, Tito beat him for 14/15 minutes about a year ago. Je still has only lost to the sports elite and is still a pretty young guy.

7. The UFC needs Tito. He is still a huge draw and is responsible for the biggest fight in the sports history. Not to mention the guy still has skills.

8. Tito needs the UFC. He cant go to Affliction. His game is hurt badly without the cage. Not to mention there are only 2-3 guys outside the UFC at 205 that are worth fighting.
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Here are things I learned from this fight.

1. Machida cant be bullied by a big strong grappler. The way he tossed a much bigger Tito Ortiz to the ground was one of the most impressive things Ive seen all year.

2. Machida is the best LHW in the world.

3. You can say it was a great gameplan all you want. But Machida faught a very defensive fight. He very rarely wanted to engage with Tito and tried to stay away as much as possible.

4. This fight probably hurt Machida just as much as it helped him. Machida was winning mostly all the exchanges, so why wouldnt he want to engage with Tito more? If he did, he would have put on a much more entertaining fight and might have finished Tito. Since he faught this cautious style, he probably cost himself a title shot. Now he is going to have to beat Thiago Silva, and then probably Forrest Griffin to get a shot at the belt.

5. I dont care what anyone says. Present day Tito, beats old school Tito all day. His striking has gotten so much better its not even funny. Machida just made him look bad. But Machida makes everyone look bad.

6. I am a fan of Tito, but Im not biased here. Dont put the nail in his coffin yet. The guy that is currently wearing the belt, Tito beat him for 14/15 minutes about a year ago. Je still has only lost to the sports elite and is still a pretty young guy.

7. The UFC needs Tito. He is still a huge draw and is responsible for the biggest fight in the sports history. Not to mention the guy still has skills.

8. Tito needs the UFC. He cant go to Affliction. His game is hurt badly without the cage. Not to mention there are only 2-3 guys outside the UFC at 205 that are worth fighting.
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Here are things I learned from this fight.

1. Machida cant be bullied by a big strong grappler. The way he tossed a much bigger Tito Ortiz to the ground was one of the most impressive things Ive seen all year.

2. Machida is the best LHW in the world.

3. You can say it was a great gameplan all you want. But Machida faught a very defensive fight. He very rarely wanted to engage with Tito and tried to stay away as much as possible.

4. This fight probably hurt Machida just as much as it helped him. Machida was winning mostly all the exchanges, so why wouldnt he want to engage with Tito more? If he did, he would have put on a much more entertaining fight and might have finished Tito. Since he faught this cautious style, he probably cost himself a title shot. Now he is going to have to beat Thiago Silva, and then probably Forrest Griffin to get a shot at the belt.

5. I dont care what anyone says. Present day Tito, beats old school Tito all day. His striking has gotten so much better its not even funny. Machida just made him look bad. But Machida makes everyone look bad.

6. I am a fan of Tito, but Im not biased here. Dont put the nail in his coffin yet. The guy that is currently wearing the belt, Tito beat him for 14/15 minutes about a year ago. Je still has only lost to the sports elite and is still a pretty young guy.

7. The UFC needs Tito. He is still a huge draw and is responsible for the biggest fight in the sports history. Not to mention the guy still has skills.

8. Tito needs the UFC. He cant go to Affliction. His game is hurt badly without the cage. Not to mention there are only 2-3 guys outside the UFC at 205 that are worth fighting.

I disagree with 2 and 7.

#2: Once Machida proves it---or is given the chance to prove it---we can call him the best LHW in the world.

#7: He is a big draw, but the UFC seems to be doing okay without Tito.

I do agree that Tito completely needs the UFC. I don't think he could perform well in a ring at all. The cage benefits his game so much. Same goes for Couture, as I don't think he would stand a chance against someone like Fedor in a ring, but might have a slim chance again him in a cage.
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I really do enjoy listening to Machida nuthuggers repeatedly bitch about him not getting a title shot.
I am a huge Machida nuthugger and think he is the #1 LHW in the world but I dont complain about him not getting a title shot. Know why?

Because he can and will beat any LHW they match him against and eventually they wont be able to deny him a shot because he will be 7-0, 8-0, 9-0, 10-0, and on and on inside the Octagon. When he DOES get a shot at the title, he will win it, regardless of who he must beat.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:21 PM   #28 (permalink)
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What I saw was a fighter past his prime.

Too slow to hit Machida, not strong enough or quick enough to take him down, and when Machida attacked a fighter completely overwhelmed and overmatched.

Tito did have a nice triangle at the end but otherwise he was simply outclassed.
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Old 01-05-2009, 11:33 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Tito is an idiot; if he is saying all Machida was doing was running away then he is an idiot. If he was simply "running away", then Tito would have been credited with octagon control and landing more strikes, but he didn't. He got abslutely owned; Machida landed the majority of his strikes thrown and Tito had absolutely no answer for it.

And he acts like not reviewing his past fights is a good thing, when it's really not. All champions have to learn from their mistakes and see what they can work on, even if they looked like an absolute idiot on the tape.
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i think we're all in for a big shock when tito recovers from back surgery. hopefully he will be able to take people down and train 100%.
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