Originally Posted by Slick_Fugitive
I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at Pothead. I'm not saying that just because an organization has longstanding champs that this shows a weakness in the organization. What I meant was if we have longstanding champs who have turned away all of the regular contenders in the UFC and then someone from the outside comes in and beats them hands down (something the regular contenders couldn't do) this means that there's evidence that we have some superior talent outside the organization, especially if that person (ie. Quinton Jackson or Aleksander) is not necessarily noted to be the best in Pride
Ah i see. I think Quinton would get KOed if he came to the UFC and fought Chuck. I think Shogun would beat Chuck. I think Aleks would beat Sylvia. I think Monson could beat Aleks. I think Sherk would beat Gomi (decision prolly). I think Henderson would beat Silva. My original point still stands. I don't wanna argue about this forever as I have already argued with several other people over the last 4 months and it's getting tiring. My original point still stands - you are saying that if a PRIDE fighter comes over and beats the champ, then that should tell everyone that PRIDE is obviously better. But like I said before and I'll use the same example because it is the best one. Hughes came from the Extreme Challenge organization, where he was about as mediocre as Anderson Silva in PRIDE, and came in and has been the most dominant champion in UFC history...so by your theory, that would imply that the Extreme Challenge Organization has a much higher talent pool than the UFC, since one of their fighters came in and completely dominated all the UFC fighters except 1. That's what it boils down to, and no one in their right mind would say the EC org has better fighters than the UFC. Just like no one would say that since Fedor came from the Rings org, and came in and dominated everyone PRIDE has to offer, that the Rings org has a higher level of talent than PRIDE. So do you agree that the EC>UFC and Rings>PRIDE???
And yes, I agree with part of your post above. "this means that there's evidence that we have some superior talent outside the organization". Yes, there is always going to be better talent in another org, but that does not mean that the UFC is weaker. It means that the guy they beat is not as good as them, and maybe one of the #1 contenders that couldn't beat the former champ, will be able to beat this new one. It's all about matchups, the organization doesn't reflect on the outcome of the fights, unless it is a case of stage fright or something of that nature like when Chuck wasn't the best in PRIDE and Wandy wasn't the best in the UFC.