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post #61 of 70 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 05:57 PM
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fedor is a crappy champ, completely untested against good competition. he needs to go to the ufc...........him and his fluke subs on roid downing muscle apes
lol u totaly right Nogeira suck Mikro stand up dont have a chance in UFC... The Maniac silva is way to good on the ground to get summited to
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Look who was the ex champion before them just look at quality of the challenger they have in those division.. It s the dumpest reply ever The Only one ufc champion that faced a real challenge lost in 1 round. When the last time u watched a UFC Main event or title match with out knowing who was winning (couple years probably) Except Maybe GSP is the only exception cuz i got to admit he is the best UFC fighter they got...Just look Liddell when over to japan and got **** by jackson that was not even a contenter for the tittle ..Im not saying UFC suck but almost...U can Compare that to like boxe emission like Broadway boxing or Showboxe..they give a good show yes But there fighter are limited in skill
Calm down homie I think you are misunderstanding. I am not saying UFC is better than PRIDE, nor am I saying PRIDE is better than UFC. The guy I was talking to said that since the UFC's champs have been reigning for so long, that means that the talent in the UFC is less than PRIDE's. But I replied by saying it makes no sense, because PRIDE is in the same situation where their champs have been reigning for just as long or longer than UFC's champs. I was simply stating that it was a bad way to justify your opinion. I actually wasn't trying to imply UFC is any better than PRIDE, in fact I am trying to get it through everyone's heads that it is not possible to say either is better because it doesn't matter what the name of the organization is, all that matters is the fighters. UFC has some fighters that are better than PRIDE's, and vice versa.
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fedor is a crappy champ, completely untested against good competition. he needs to go to the ufc...........him and his fluke subs on roid downing muscle apes
cause there is so much competition in ufc right

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i just said that to see how bad id get flamed for it. fedor is the best
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Calm down homie I think you are misunderstanding. I am not saying UFC is better than PRIDE, nor am I saying PRIDE is better than UFC. The guy I was talking to said that since the UFC's champs have been reigning for so long, that means that the talent in the UFC is less than PRIDE's. But I replied by saying it makes no sense, because PRIDE is in the same situation where their champs have been reigning for just as long or longer than UFC's champs. I was simply stating that it was a bad way to justify your opinion. I actually wasn't trying to imply UFC is any better than PRIDE, in fact I am trying to get it through everyone's heads that it is not possible to say either is better because it doesn't matter what the name of the organization is, all that matters is the fighters. UFC has some fighters that are better than PRIDE's, and vice versa.
I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at Pothead. I'm not saying that just because an organization has longstanding champs that this shows a weakness in the organization. What I meant was if we have longstanding champs who have turned away all of the regular contenders in the UFC and then someone from the outside comes in and beats them hands down (something the regular contenders couldn't do) this means that there's evidence that we have some superior talent outside the organization, especially if that person (ie. Quinton Jackson or Aleksander) is not necessarily noted to be the best in Pride
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I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at Pothead. I'm not saying that just because an organization has longstanding champs that this shows a weakness in the organization. What I meant was if we have longstanding champs who have turned away all of the regular contenders in the UFC and then someone from the outside comes in and beats them hands down (something the regular contenders couldn't do) this means that there's evidence that we have some superior talent outside the organization, especially if that person (ie. Quinton Jackson or Aleksander) is not necessarily noted to be the best in Pride
Ah i see. I think Quinton would get KOed if he came to the UFC and fought Chuck. I think Shogun would beat Chuck. I think Aleks would beat Sylvia. I think Monson could beat Aleks. I think Sherk would beat Gomi (decision prolly). I think Henderson would beat Silva. My original point still stands. I don't wanna argue about this forever as I have already argued with several other people over the last 4 months and it's getting tiring. My original point still stands - you are saying that if a PRIDE fighter comes over and beats the champ, then that should tell everyone that PRIDE is obviously better. But like I said before and I'll use the same example because it is the best one. Hughes came from the Extreme Challenge organization, where he was about as mediocre as Anderson Silva in PRIDE, and came in and has been the most dominant champion in UFC history...so by your theory, that would imply that the Extreme Challenge Organization has a much higher talent pool than the UFC, since one of their fighters came in and completely dominated all the UFC fighters except 1. That's what it boils down to, and no one in their right mind would say the EC org has better fighters than the UFC. Just like no one would say that since Fedor came from the Rings org, and came in and dominated everyone PRIDE has to offer, that the Rings org has a higher level of talent than PRIDE. So do you agree that the EC>UFC and Rings>PRIDE???

And yes, I agree with part of your post above. "this means that there's evidence that we have some superior talent outside the organization". Yes, there is always going to be better talent in another org, but that does not mean that the UFC is weaker. It means that the guy they beat is not as good as them, and maybe one of the #1 contenders that couldn't beat the former champ, will be able to beat this new one. It's all about matchups, the organization doesn't reflect on the outcome of the fights, unless it is a case of stage fright or something of that nature like when Chuck wasn't the best in PRIDE and Wandy wasn't the best in the UFC.

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Ah i see. I think Quinton would get KOed if he came to the UFC and fought Chuck. I think Shogun would beat Chuck. I think Aleks would beat Sylvia. I think Monson could beat Aleks. I think Sherk would beat Gomi (decision prolly). I think Henderson would beat Silva. My original point still stands. I don't wanna argue about this forever as I have already argued with several other people over the last 4 months and it's getting tiring. My original point still stands - you are saying that if a PRIDE fighter comes over and beats the champ, then that should tell everyone that PRIDE is obviously better. But like I said before and I'll use the same example because it is the best one. Hughes came from the Extreme Challenge organization, where he was about as mediocre as Anderson Silva in PRIDE, and came in and has been the most dominant champion in UFC history...so by your theory, that would imply that the Extreme Challenge Organization has a much higher talent pool than the UFC, since one of their fighters came in and completely dominated all the UFC fighters except 1. That's what it boils down to, and no one in their right mind would say the EC org has better fighters than the UFC. Just like no one would say that since Fedor came from the Rings org, and came in and dominated everyone PRIDE has to offer, that the Rings org has a higher level of talent than PRIDE. So do you agree that the EC>UFC and Rings>PRIDE???

And yes, I agree with part of your post above. "this means that there's evidence that we have some superior talent outside the organization". Yes, there is always going to be better talent in another org, but that does not mean that the UFC is weaker. It means that the guy they beat is not as good as them, and maybe one of the #1 contenders that couldn't beat the former champ, will be able to beat this new one. It's all about matchups, the organization doesn't reflect on the outcome of the fights, unless it is a case of stage fright or something of that nature like when Chuck wasn't the best in PRIDE and Wandy wasn't the best in the UFC.
Well, that was a long time ago ... that's like saying Dennis Hallman could still beat Matt Hughes ... he has come a LONG way since EC and if he went back there he would probably completely clean house ... you're right though, I think we definitely have our own opinions on this one buddy!!!! Wish you were in my city, need some pot for tonight ..hehehehe
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fedor is a crappy champ, completely untested against good competition. he needs to go to the ufc...........him and his fluke subs on roid downing muscle apes

That is the most idiotic thing i have ever seen posted on these forums, and everyone is know dumber for even reading it.
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i just said that to see how bad id get flamed for it. fedor is the best
I know it was sarcasm
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i enjoy both organizations but IMO Pride puts together better fight cards and has more depth than ufc this is why I enjoy it more.... for instance look at the ufc coming up who do you know .. Hughes ..GSP... Monson... Sylvia... Stevenson.. Mir .. Vera ... Mishima .. Diaz.. Sakara thats 10 of 18 fighters with what seems to be 4 decent fights at best .. they only show 5 fights on ppv where pride shows them all and on most of prides fight cards you will know at the minimum 75% of fighters who seem to be talented... the fight nights are completely worthless IMO its bad fights with lots of commercials the last tito vs ken fight night was the biggest waste of time for me it was 4 fights in 2 hours and 3 of the fights were not even worth watching the rest of the 2 hours was commercial which is kind of ridiculous.. now to the rules i think pride has the better rules to make fights more even.. ufc favors the grappling fighters in at least 2 ways.. 1 it protects them when shooting for the most part if someone sprawls and prevents the takedown they cant do anything from that position this is where i like knees to the top of the head in pride it makes it so people cant just keep going for takedowns and eventually get one to get points for the fight its makes it so people have to be more careful when going for the takedown and second the cage allows fighters to post the others on it to allow for easy GnP yes there is the arguement that it allows for people to push off and get up from the ground as well but its much more difficult for someone to do than to post another person on it... i could go with a couple more things on why I enjoy pride more but i think you kind of get the point from this.. I do believe there is reason to like one organization more than the other and to say one gives fighters more of a fair fight than others but it is pointless to argue one organization has better fighters than the other you will never know until the organizations come together and have a tournament or have each others fighters fight against each other and i dont see this happening anytime in the near future... i dont know where this came from but i guess id just rather hear people go over why they like one organization better than the other rather than which fighter in pride is better than which fighter in UFC
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