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post #61 of 92 (permalink) Old 11-14-2006, 10:38 AM
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Doesn't mean much, because you haven't see Silva really practice his skills yet. It's hard to say "HE'S DA BEST GROUND FIGHTER!11" when you haven't seen him execute his game much. I have to see it to believe it.

Matt Hughes has really good sub defense, and I don't believe he's a BJJ blackbelt.

I like how you're trying to be all smarmy, yet you haven't really added anything except some lame humor. This board is turning into Sherdog.

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travis has no chance on his feet and only a slim chance on the ground anderson gonna Knock travis the **** out

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The only thing Silva has subbed people with were strikes.

Silva's takedown defense is suspect. He sure defended Chonan's heel hook didn't he? How about Takase's triangle? That Silva, he's such a whiz on the ground.

Silva's bread and butter is his standup, and his ground game will continue to be questionable until he's taken to the ground. Him getting his BJJ blackbelt with the Nog's doesn't really mean that much, because it's about how you execute your gameplan.

Besides they were Pride cans...which are still better than most UFC fighters anyways!

Typical tiring Pride nuthuggery. Lutter would have no problem laying on top of Silva for the decision. Would it be exciting? Certainly not, but I can also see that happening.


So you think his ground game is so questionable cuz he got caught twice...hey thats only one more time then Lutter's been caught. So since Travis got caught in a guillotine (perhaps one the most simple submissions) we should question his ground game? (lol).....People get caught all the time. So you think Jeremy Horn was gnub on the ground? Funny Silva not only avoided getting caught but skooled him; and Lee Murray who btw wasn't bad at subs himself.

Next you question a man who is a black belt in BJJ from Nogs....WOW. So you think that it won't help to know BJJ to that level to avoid subs and know the right positioning unlike Cote. BTW you don't receive a black belt by finishing your studies on-line....there's alot of "hands-on" training with this kind class. I don't mean to be so rude but those were some pretty weak arguements.

Of course Silva's bread and butter is his striking; just like Shogun. They both have lost by submissions but as Rua just showed with Randleman it doesn't mean they don't know how to execute it; its just that they prefer K'ing people TFO.

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Doesn't mean much, because you haven't see Silva really practice his skills yet. It's hard to say "HE'S DA BEST GROUND FIGHTER!11" when you haven't seen him execute his game much. I have to see it to believe it.

Matt Hughes has really good sub defense, and I don't believe he's a BJJ blackbelt.

I like how you're trying to be all smarmy, yet you haven't really added anything except some lame humor. This board is turning into Sherdog.
Im not being smarmy or sycophantic. I am just saying that a black belt in BJJ does mean something. Having defense to subs doesnt require a blackbelt in BJJ, just a brain and strength. But learning proper positions and techniques on when and how to apply submissions and which to go for in different situations is how you obtain a blackbelt. Learning the ropes of the submission game and getting the belt awarded to you by your master once they feel you have met the requirements is how you achieve a blackbelt.

I like how you brought up Matt Hughes...everyone seems to think hes the bees knees in everything. Hes a 1 dimensional fighter. If he cant take you down and sit on top of you...he looses.

Sure we havent seen Andersons ground game in the UFC or much elsewhere...but that doesnt mean his ground game is questionable. He did get a blackbelt in a highly respective field...by 2 of the top guys in the field. I dont see how that can be taken anyway except as an excellent addition to his arsonal.

Lutter is just a TUF guy who won by submission in the finals. Big deal...remember he couldnt hang with the UFC people before hand...so what makes everyone think he can just walk in and have a good chance against a far better, dominant striker and a higher level of accomplishment on the ground.

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So you think his ground game is so questionable cuz he got caught twice.

Nope, I'm calling it questionable, because we haven't really seen Silva execute it.

Here's my point: Silva should win, but counting out Lutter's BJJ is stupid. It's ok to bash Lutter's BJJ, but if you question Silva's, then it's some cardinal sin. Lutter has a decent chance to get Silva to the ground. Will he? Who knows. If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Silva. I think if Cote won, then people would be talking about Cote's "Punchers chance". Why not Lutter's chance? He is pretty good on the ground.

I just think it's a little stupid to be praising Silva's ground game, when he hasn't really done much to warrant praise in that category. Does he have ground game? Probably, but we won't know until Lutter tests him.

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So you think his ground game is so questionable cuz he got caught twice.

Nope, I'm calling it questionable, because we haven't really seen Silva execute it.

Here's my point: Silva should win, but counting out Lutter's BJJ is stupid. It's ok to bash Lutter's BJJ, but if you question Silva's, then it's some cardinal sin. Lutter has a decent chance to get Silva to the ground. Will he? Who knows. If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Silva. I think if Cote won, then people would be talking about Cote's "Punchers chance". Why not Lutter's chance? He is pretty good on the ground.

I just think it's a little stupid to be praising Silva's ground game, when he hasn't really done much to warrant praise in that category. Does he have ground game? Probably, but we won't know until Lutter tests him.
I hate to argue petty shit but I wasn't praising.

YOU said his ground game was mediocre; which was completely inaccurate. Its clear that you were unaware of his BJJ credentials; so I just had to correct it.

black belt >>> mediocre

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Um, I actually said Lutter's standup was mediocre, not Silva's ground game.

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Listen I'm not going to spend anymore time on petty details, questionable, mediocre......I don't really care. The point being is you undermined Silva's ground game yet knew nothing about it other then what you read on FightFinder and saw in the UFC.


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being a blackbelt in BJJ and from Brazil doesnt meen much in MMA these days, unless you have been recognized for your skill. I dont really know much about Silvas ground game so im not gonna bash or praise him for that, but there are alot of other pro MMA fighters that has questionable black belts from brazil. you know it sounds better tryin to come in to MMA if youre a black belt. 1st example: Zulu, is a BJJ black belt. he has no skill on the ground and only got the black belt coz hes fat and big and tricky to handle when he lays on top of you. once youre on top, hes done. 2nd: Vanderlei Silva, one of my favorite fighters in MMA and just about everytime brings it. Sadly one of the most discussed black belt from Brazil, he has good defense but crappy BBJ offense. he muscles and bucks and twist and tries to overpower his opponent but not great technik, does that make you a black belt? in my mind, no. Lutter on the other hand has proven himself to be a beast on the ground and his biggest problem with opponents has been big and strong wrestlers like Lindland and Prangley that overpower him completely. Like i said, i havent seen much of A. Silva on the ground so naturally give the edge there to Lutter, In standup ill naturally give it to Silva
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ANYONE WHO THINKS SILVA'S GROUND GAME ISNT QEUSTIONABLE SHOULD WATCH HIS FIGHT WITH CARLOS NEWTON.

lutter has a far superior ground game to silva. Silva isnt even close to as impressive when hes fighting someone thats looks to take him down. horn took him down easily, newton took him down easily. other guys have taken him down. his takedown defence is not good enough to avoid a takedown from lutter. Silva's never fought someone with a ground game like lutter. WATCH THE LOOTERS FIGHT WITH PELE AND THEN TELL ME SILVA CAN HANG WITH HIM ON THE GROUND. Its on youtube just search travis lutter.
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