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Old 11-14-2006, 01:26 PM   #71 (permalink)
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ANYONE WHO THINKS SILVA'S GROUND GAME ISNT QEUSTIONABLE SHOULD WATCH HIS FIGHT WITH CARLOS NEWTON.
Thats a very nice input kid but The Newton fight happened 4 years ago, the last tough ground fighter with serious skill he has fought is jeremy horn almost 3 years ago and that went to decision.. Do you seriously think he hasnt been training bjj since then and especially for this fight? In 4 years youre not even the same fighter if you train in all areas of fighting
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Old 11-14-2006, 01:27 PM   #72 (permalink)
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uh oh

But Pele beat MATT HUGHES! THE ALMIGHTY MATT HUGHES!

SO that makes Lutter the best MMA fighter OF ALL TIMES!

Silva will kill lutter

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Old 11-14-2006, 01:30 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Thats a very nice input kid but The Newton fight happened 4 years ago, the last tough ground fighter with serious skill he has fought is jeremy horn almost 3 years ago and that went to decision.. Do you seriously think he hasnt been training bjj since then and especially for this fight? In 4 years youre not even the same fighter if you train in all areas of fighting
yeah man...gotta love it when ppl say 'he got beat by so and so 4 years ago' Why does anyone fight more than once then? You got beat, go home there is no way you can get better They train to get better and 4 years is a long ass time.
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Old 11-14-2006, 02:27 PM   #74 (permalink)
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But Pele beat MATT HUGHES! THE ALMIGHTY MATT HUGHES!

SO that makes Lutter the best MMA fighter OF ALL TIMES!

Why is Pele the best fighter coz he beat Matt Hughes? Dennis Hallman also beat Matt and hes not that great. And no, silva will not KILL Lutter. If it comes close to lutter dying, the ref will probably stop the fight ... And lutter never fought Hughes so why is he the best fighter?
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LOL, Silva's questionable ground game??

You all do realize he's a black belt in BJJ?

LOL, quetionable. HAHAHA

get your facts striaght Kiddies. Lutter is going to get rocked, it wont even make it threw 1 round.

Anderson has beat Rich who was 20-1 and Chris who was 14-1, lol and you think Lutter is good.. hahah hes been fighting SHIT in TUF. I hope he tries and stepps up, he'll be done before the first round ends. Just like everyone else that he has faced.
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You do realize that he a black belt has already been mentioned earlier in the thread kiddy hahahah black belt hahahaha yeah.. what if he makes it threw the first round .. then you need to get your fact straight right? And if he get rocked in the first as you said taht doesnt meen hes out does it hahahahah.. weirdo
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You do realize that he a black belt has already been mentioned earlier in the thread kiddy hahahah black belt hahahaha yeah.. what if he makes it threw the first round .. then you need to get your fact straight right? And if he get rocked in the first as you said taht doesnt meen hes out does it hahahahah.. weirdo
yes, the fight will be over in the first round... just like all the other cans Anderson has fought in the UFC
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Some of the finer points I'd like to see addressed is the different approach that both Pele and Spider take in defending from the bottom position as well as HOW they approach their attack and defense in striking.

From what I've seen Silva does both well more consistently than Pele.

I've seen Pele completely pass up opportunities for armbars and triangles when fighting from the guard whereas Silva goes for them.

IMO Pele seems to lose track of what he's trying to accomplish when defending on the ground. On the other hand Silva defends well from the ground, goes for subs, sweeps well and can scramble effectively to return the fight to a stand. Silva's fight with Horn was mentioned as a means to lend credence to Silva's supposed "weak" ground game....however...again...let's take a close look.

Horn got nothing done against Silva because Silva defended well from the bottom throughout the fight. He nullified Horn's offense WITH Horn in a more dominate position MOST of the time got some good work done from the guard and won a legit the decision over Horn.



Pele attacks and retreats in straight lines. He may give you a little lateral movement but essentially he's in front of you coming straight at you. It would'nt be that hard to get a line on a striker who fights this way and shoot successfully. Silva, on the other hand, presents more of a challenge because he attacks from angles and he sometimes moves to and attacks at his opponents weak side. Lastly, Pele and Silva's striking techniques are vastly different. Silva's a better judge of distance with his hands and knows how to use a jab to keep guys off balance and at a distance to set up other combos.

Two different fighters who have and will take a different approach to fighting a common opponent.

I mentioned before that Lutter fights in an orthodox stance opposite to Silva's southpaw stance and that this could be an advantage for Lutter since Silva's lead leg will be much closer and easier to drop and grab than if Silva had been a righthanded fighter. However their stances offer Silva opportunities, as well, to exploit Lutter's bad habits of carrying his left hand very low and drops it even lower when firing a right (a no no against a southpaw striker).

Many factors should be considered when comparing and contrasting fighter chances in upcoming matches. Merely mentioning their performance against a certain style, whether percieved or using knowlege application, as a means to justify a possible outcome just is'nt enough. Especially when the fighters share common opponents and at least two of them share a similar style. Anyone wanna argue?
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Some of the finer points I'd like to see addressed is the different approach that both Pele and Spider take in defending from the bottom position as well as HOW they approach their attack and defense in striking.

From what I've seen Silva does both well more consistently than Pele.

I've seen Pele completely pass up opportunities for armbars and triangles when fighting from the guard whereas Silva goes for them.

IMO Pele seems to lose track of what he's trying to accomplish when defending on the ground. On the other hand Silva defends well from the ground, goes for subs, sweeps well and can scramble effectively to return the fight to a stand. Silva's fight with Horn was mentioned as a means to lend credence to Silva's supposed "weak" ground game....however...again...let's take a close look.

Horn got nothing done against Silva because Silva defended well from the bottom throughout the fight. He nullified Horn's offense WITH Horn in a more dominate position MOST of the time got some good work done from the guard and won a legit the decision over Horn.



Pele attacks and retreats in straight lines. He may give you a little lateral movement but essentially he's in front of you coming straight at you. It would'nt be that hard to get a line on a striker who fights this way and shoot successfully. Silva, on the other hand, presents more of a challenge because he attacks from angles and he sometimes moves to and attacks at his opponents weak side. Lastly, Pele and Silva's striking techniques are vastly different. Silva's a better judge of distance with his hands and knows how to use a jab to keep guys off balance and at a distance to set up other combos.

Two different fighters who have and will take a different approach to fighting a common opponent.

I mentioned before that Lutter fights in an orthodox stance opposite to Silva's southpaw stance and that this could be an advantage for Lutter since Silva's lead leg will be much closer and easier to drop and grab than if Silva had been a righthanded fighter. However their stances offer Silva opportunities, as well, to exploit Lutter's bad habits of carrying his left hand very low and drops it even lower when firing a right (a no no against a southpaw striker).

Many factors should be considered when comparing and contrasting fighter chances in upcoming matches. Merely mentioning their performance against a certain style, whether percieved or using knowlege application, as a means to justify a possible outcome just is'nt enough. Especially when the fighters share common opponents and at least two of them share a similar style. Anyone wanna argue?
Well put, and if you had to bet your life on one or the other, who would it be?
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Thats nice... what does Pele have to do with Silva vs Lutter??
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