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Old 02-03-2009, 08:31 PM   #31 (permalink)
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That's the problem with you diehards. You can't look at this objectively. If they would have came out and said it right after the fight they would have been lynched and called sore losers and whatnot. Now that they come out later on they STILL get shit for it from people like you who can't realize that MAYBE just MAYBE they didn't want to say anything before because the fight was still fresh in the fans minds and it would make them look like sore losers and there would be no way of proving it!
And here's your problem, my friend. You like to label people when you have no idea how they truly are as a fan. Have I given BJ any flack for launching a complaint so early after the fight? No. I've said he's completely entitled to do so, because it does indeed appear as though GSP's corner goofed. That and coming out so soon leads me to believe that BJ has an actual beef to get off of his chest. Whereas Hughes, Serra, and so on waiting for years at a time could be taken as their not feeling that the situation warranted investigation, or that there was indeed little to no merit to it. Do you honestly expect me to believe that Hughes and Serra were afraid to come forward? You do know who Matt Serra and Matt Hughes are, right? So no, I'm not a die-hard looking to crucify anyone I can. I respect that BJ came forward right away, because it shows he has an actual gripe. Hughes, Serra, and anyone else just now stepping forward could just as easily be taken as those whom had their arses handed to them looking to throw fuel on a fire. Don't be so quick to resort to labels next time around, friend.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:34 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Someone tell this worn out has-been to go crawl back under the rock he came out of.

There is no doubt in my mind these guys are coming out with this shit because they have the word that "UFC higher ups" don't mind and in fact may encourage it.

The inner workings of the UFC are ones of back-stabbing and arrangements/deals to further an agenda that suits the Zuffa clan's future ambitions.

This has gotten to a point where it's just totally over the top.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:38 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Someone tell this worn out has-been to go crawl back under the rock he came out of.

There is no doubt in my mind these guys are coming out with this shit because they have the word that "UFC higher ups" don't mind and in fact may encourage it.

The inner workings of the UFC are ones of back-stabbing and arrangements/deals to further an agenda that suits the Zuffa clan's future ambitions.

This has gotten to a point where it's just totally over the top.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:42 PM   #35 (permalink)
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1) How can GSP get away with greasing prior to the fight? They are checked before they get into the octagon.

2) Leaving only fight-time to get greased, how can they get away with it with half a dozen cameras and inspectors on either side, watching in?

3) If they DO get away with it, how much Vaseline could have possibly been applied? You watch at UFC 94, the cornerman spends like 5 seconds massaging GSP's temple and only then does he wipe his hand on his shoulder and back. Honestly, it would be such a small amount I bet you could barely tell the difference.

4) Why are fighters coming out about 'HURF DERF he felt greasy for me too'? He fought Mayhem in 2005 and Hughes in 2006 and 2007. Not only do I question that they can remember how their opponent felt in that fight (Identifying between 'slippery from sweat' and 'greased up') but I question why they would wait until now to bring it up. If they had a problem with it, why not bring it up after the fight?
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Why is it SO IMPORTANT for everyone to mention Matt Hughes being a douche every single time a thread or interview comes out? He didn't even say anything wrong in this quote. He was being fair and didn't make any specific accusations regarding GSP actually cheating or changing the outcome of the fight, all he said was he thought he felt greasy. He didn't say "GSP greased in my fights too" he said "GSP felt greasy when I fought him the last 2 times" he left it open as being either sweat or vaseline. People need to grow up.


And a bunch of you give me the impression that the more people who come out and agree that GSP felt greasy, the less likely you are to believe the accusations are true. Which completely boggles my ****in mind! That's a totally assbackwards way of forming a conclusion. You can't possibly believe that all these people say this simply because they're being "sore losers". It's more likely that GSP indeed felt greasy than it is for ALL these guys to just be sore losers.
What do you expect from the GSP fan bois? I was rooting against GSP in the Penn fight, not because I dislike him, but because of his fans.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:47 PM   #37 (permalink)
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If he was leaving it open to sweat or vaseline, he'd directly say so. The fact of the matter is, he's coming right out, in a time when GSP is falling under fire for utilizing vaseline during fights, and saying that St. Pierre felt greasy during their last two bouts. Clearly he knows how people are going to take such a comment, and if he didn't want it to be taken as such, he'd say, 'could have been sweat, could have been vaseline'. People are going to see the term 'greasy' and assume the worst. I also had a chuckle at the fact that Hughes stated that GSP felt greasy in the two fights in which he lost, yet made no mention of the one which he won. I guess Georges forgot his vaseline at home, that day. And for the record, this has nothing to do with any bias towards Hughes. I actually tend to like him as a fighter and person. It's just that this is clearly getting out of hand, and I refuse to believe that the likes of Serra and Hughes would have been silent until now had they truly believed they were duped.
He did leave it open to sweat or vaseline. He specifically said "I'm not saying GSP did anything wrong". His entire blog gave me the impression that he wasn't writing it to agree with BJ or Mayhem, but to just add in HIS perspective that GSP also felt greasy in his fights, which could imply that either he is indeed greasing, or it could imply that GSP is just naturally greasy. Sounds to me like he's trying to be as fair as possible by not making a direct accusation either way.

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And here's your problem, my friend. You like to label people when you have no idea how they truly are as a fan. Have I given BJ any flack for launching a complaint so early after the fight? No. I've said he's completely entitled to do so, because it does indeed appear as though GSP's corner goofed. That and coming out so soon leads me to believe that BJ has an actual beef to get off of his chest. Whereas Hughes, Serra, and so on waiting for years at a time could be taken as their not feeling that the situation warranted investigation, or that there was indeed little to no merit to it. Do you honestly expect me to believe that Hughes and Serra were afraid to come forward?
I admit I may have labeled YOU wrong, but your post was extremely similar to those who make it seem that the accusers were damned either way. I've seen a lot of those posts lately and the way yours looked resembled them alot, so excuse the assumption that you are the same kinda fan. I just used yours as a quote because it seemed the most fitting for my reply.


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You do know who Matt Serra and Matt Hughes are, right? So no, I'm not a die-hard looking to crucify anyone I can. I respect that BJ came forward right away, because it shows he has an actual gripe. Hughes, Serra, and anyone else just now stepping forward could just as easily be taken as those whom had their arses handed to them looking to throw fuel on a fire. Don't be so quick to resort to labels next time around, friend.
Yea I know who they are, they are 2 guys who are known for never making excuses after a loss. So that tells me this was the case again. Maybe they thought he felt greasy but weren't sure at the time if it was his sweat or some vaseline, and now that there is video footage of Vaseline being rubbed on him, they are coming forward. They didn't want to mention anything after the fight because they are not known for being excuse makers. They are stepping forward now to add their personal insight on the matter, which they have every right to do considering they are past opponents of GSP.
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This kind of reminds me of people who "recall" alien abductions after they are described to them.
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1) 4) Why are fighters coming out about 'HURF DERF he felt greasy for me too'? He fought Mayhem in 2005 and Hughes in 2006 and 2007. Not only do I question that they can remember how their opponent felt in that fight (Identifying between 'slippery from sweat' and 'greased up') but I question why they would wait until now to bring it up. If they had a problem with it, why not bring it up after the fight?
Mayhem said it years ago and Sherk directly post-fight in an interview before he even showered.

I'm not a big GSP fan, but man this is kinda crazy. Whether it's true or just sour grapes, it sucks.
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Old 02-03-2009, 08:53 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Funny thing about this comment from Hughes is he says it only was for the two fights he lost. Then what really stands out is he never mentioned it in his book tht I have heard of, the same book where he was quick to hang even his own friends. I'd be curious how he really knew he was greased in them last two fights to, it's not like he was in a real position to really get a grip on GSP.
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