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Old 02-09-2009, 05:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
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First of all, how is BJ a better striker then Florian. Saying that is literally like saying boxing is a better striking art then MT. Sure, BJ's boxing is great, but it's only about as good as Kennys MT, so I really don't see him accomplishing much in the standup.
A lot of BJ's fights turn into boxing matches though cos people are so scared to be put on their back that they tend to abandon kicks completely or at least use them sparingly.

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On top of that, BJ only has about 2-3 rounds to finish Kenny before he gasses and Kenny brings the apocolypse down on his ass.
When has BJ gassed at 155 lately? Especially when, as you say it's gonna be a mainly standup fight where he's not trying to defend TD's constantly.

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Second of all, GSP's camp has BJ identified down to a T. So this can be a very important information for Kenny coming into the fight, especially with Dr. Jackson coming up with an assisting game plan.
But Florain and GSP are completely different fighters TBF. Can you really see Kenflo keeping Penn pressed up against the cage, can you really see him maintaining top position like GSP did? TBH I think Jackson's gameplans are becoming a bit overrated really.

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Third, since I've already established in my mind atleast that Kenny's going to win in the standup, if he can stuff BJ from taking him down, it will be a huge part in deciding whether or not he will win. Training with GSP's camp will improve his wrestling by lightyears. And lets not forget how quickly Kenny improves, so this may get his level of TDD to where it needs to be so that he can stop BJ from taking him down.
The problem there is that you think Florian's gonna win the standup due to his superior muay thai and as I pointed out earlier, the kicks leave him open for a TD regardless of how much his TDD improves training with GSP. BJ's got arguably the best top game in all of MMA, outside of Fedor perhaps so if Kenny gets put on his back he's gonna be in trouble IMO.


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So overall, this fight comes down to TDD, and training with this camp my be enough to bridge the gap between Kennys TDD and BJ's TDs.
I think this fight comes down to Florians ability to stay on the outside and outpoint BJ, much like he did to Huerta. If Penn starts to gas, then he can pursue a more aggressive approach and maybe even try to put BJ on his back.

BJ's got some seriously underrated TD's IMO, go watch his fight with Gomi, I know it was a while ago but Gomi's got good wrestling and Penn took him down with ease, I think we all agree that by far the most dangerous position for Florian would be with BJ on top of him. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if BJ pushed really hard for a TD early on in this fight and then tried to settle into his boxing later. Penn's looking for a dominant win, and the best way to do that is to put Kenflo on his back early and work from there.

I think the deciding factor in this fight is what BJ Penn shows up. If he comes in motivated I could see Kenny getting outclassed, but if he comes in out of shape then I think we could see him lose and then retire TBH.
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I think many are taking this the wrong way and I think its a fantastic move for Florian. I dont think he is going there to get a secret "how to beat BJ Penn formula". Forget the fact that St. Pierre dominated Penn and just look at the training partner.

Florian will be training with the best WW in the world which can only make him a better fighter. Plus he will most likely have some of Jackson's guys helping him out as well.
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Whats all this talk of KenFlo's take down defense? Lets be honest Kenny's take down defense consists of grabbing the fence for dear life, wresling isnt gonna give him a stronger grip.
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I think it's a smart move. Obviously Kenny won't be able to do the same things GSP did because of physical limitations. However like others have mentioned it should help Kenny TDD which is gonna be a big factor in this fight. Also by letting GSP work in his guard it should help him out. I mean if he can slow down GSP on top it should help him with BJ.

One last thing while Kenny won't be able to come out and take Bj down first thing like GSP did. As the fight goes deeper and kenny's leg kicks take a tole on BJ he might be able to get a TD or two.

I really don't see anything wrong with wanting to improve your skills. As long as he doesn't decided to dedicate all his training time to doing exactly like GSP did then i don't see anything wrong with it.
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Whats all this talk of KenFlo's take down defense? Lets be honest Kenny's take down defense consists of grabbing the fence for dear life, wresling isnt gonna give him a stronger grip.
True.

To be fair though BJ's takedowns aren't exactly anywhere near Joe and Sherk's though.
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I think it's a smart move. Obviously Kenny won't be able to do the same things GSP did because of physical limitations. However like others have mentioned it should help Kenny TDD which is gonna be a big factor in this fight. Also by letting GSP work in his guard it should help him out. I mean if he can slow down GSP on top it should help him with BJ.

One last thing while Kenny won't be able to come out and take Bj down first thing like GSP did. As the fight goes deeper and kenny's leg kicks take a tole on BJ he might be able to get a TD or two.

I really don't see anything wrong with wanting to improve your skills. As long as he doesn't decided to dedicate all his training time to doing exactly like GSP did then i don't see anything wrong with it.
I agree that training with the best can't hurt. But I do disagree with the people thinking that training with GSP will help Florian emulate his victory.

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True.

To be fair though BJ's takedowns aren't exactly anywhere near Joe and Sherk's though.
I think they're just about as good as Joe's. And his striking miles better than both of them which opens up his takedowns.
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I think that training with GSP could have its advantages so long as he doesn't try to approach the fight with BJ like GSP did. Then again, I don't think Kenny has much of a chance against BJ. As much as I would like to see him take this fight I don't think that he has the tools to get the job done.

GSP could help him develop some kind of takedown defense though he doesn't really have the physical abilities to be a good wrestler he might be able to learn how to stay off the ground a little bit.

Kenny should focus on using his length in this fight because its the only clear cut advantage he has. He will need to keep the fight outside and it it does go to the ground he will need to use the long levers to try and put BJ in some bad spots. I don't know how he's going to do it but hopefully Mark Delagrotte will have some tricks for him.
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Kenny needs to stick with DellaGrotte and go with his own strengths because he doesnt share any of the strengths GSP used to beat BJ, he isnt a much bigger or stronger guy, he isnt a great wrestler and he doesnt have GSP's top game,
You train your weaknesses to become a better fighter. If a fighter ignores his weaknesses and simply trains his strengths, he'll eventually be grabbing a sandwich at the casino diner on fight night with Matt Hughes and the other assorted suspects who didn't evolve their skill sets.

Florian will never be a great wrestler if he never trains with great wrestlers, etc. The fact that his skills are not a mirror copy of GSP's is the very reason to go train with him.
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I like Florian because he is so diverse but BJ at 155 is nowhere near what he was vs. GSP. KenFlo will get murdered if he faces the prodigy.
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