Originally Posted by Squirrelfighter
Woah wait...are you about to say Muay Thai is a better art than Kung Fu? You are ignorant.
Kung Fu is based around precepts and concepts that imply the fighter has or can deveolop the ability to move rapidly and with fluidity. Meaning, that when he lifts his leg to dodge your leg kick, he's not just evading, he's throwing a cresent kick to the temple...unconscious.
Or when you come in to snag his leg for a takedown, he grabs one of your wrists in a mantis grasp and torques it around in the socket while you flail like a dying fish.
Or when you go for a head kick...The weight is shifted onto that lead leg to enact a "Squirrel Block" (Kung Fu's animal name for the roundhouse to the head defense) and in that same motion that brought his weight forward and blocked your kick, he sends a spinning back kick into your chin...unconciousness.
Do me a favor andd never fight a Kung Fu trained fighter. You'll just embarass yourself because you don't respect the art.
The problem is, it takes wayyyy too long to master those "precepts and concepts" and even if you do master them, Kung Fu still has major holes in its game and puts too much emphasis on speed over technique or basic body mechanics. The reason why Muay Thai, Boxing, Wrestling, and BJJ are all time tested and proven arts is because they spar on a daily basis and actively test out new techniques. You can't just reherse moves or katas and expect them to work when you don't know how the human body works when fighting back or what counters to use. I gurantee you that if you put a guy who has sparred for a month in Boxing, BJJ, Muay Thai, or Wrestling against a guy of a similar weight who has trained for 6 months in Kung Fu, the former guy would dominate the Kung Fu fighter.
And before you say something about "well, you don't know jack about Kung Fu", I used to take it when I was a teenager for a few months and eventually got my blue belt. The system was Wuzuquan or Five Ancestors’ Fist (whatever that is lol). I feel that I learned 10x more in my first month of BJJ/Muay Thai/MMA than I did in all my time in Kung Fu or my 1 month in Taekwondo. After I learned how to do just basic things like keeping my hands up, chin tucked, basic head movement, and proper kicks, I looked at new guys and other martial arts and I could just pick apart all the holes in their defenses (and I'm no expert either). I mean sure, you say you could throw a "cresent kick" or whatever kick to someone's temple, but do you yourself even know how to properly block a headkick or check a leg kick? That's even more important than throwing one IMO.
And lol at "grabbing the wrist and failing like a fish." You know how hard it is to grab another guy's wrist while he is actively fighting back? That's one of the reasons why Karo Paryison had to adapt his Judo to MMA. Its a lot harder to grab another man's sweaty wrists (as opposed to Gi) while he is actively moving or throwing punches. The only time when grabbing the wrist is practical is when you are in the clinch, in which case, Kung Fu has no answer to that and he would get thrown/taking down. There is no complete martial art, but BJJ IMO is the closest there is and Kung Fu guys would get destroyed on the ground or toyed with against a wrestler. Standing, all they have is a puncher's chance against a half decent Muay Thai fighter or Boxer.