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The only thing I can think of to explain these odd gameplans other than they thought it would work and I don't believe this 100% but I have always had a suspiscion that maybe certain fighters get a fatter paycheck if they agree to a set of "special rules". For example in this fight, maybe Dana offered Matt a fatter paycheck if he agreed to keep it standing for x amount of rounds. Or like in the Silva/Franklin fight maybe Franklin agreed to like not resist the first clinch or something. Or to just take it easy for x amount of time. You never know, it's not exactly rigging the fight, it just gives the other guy a little better advantage. There's some fights that just make you wonder what the **** they were thinking when they made their gameplan.
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The only thing I can think of to explain these odd gameplans other than they thought it would work and I don't believe this 100% but I have always had a suspiscion that maybe certain fighters get a fatter paycheck if they agree to a set of "special rules". For example in this fight, maybe Dana offered Matt a fatter paycheck if he agreed to keep it standing for x amount of rounds. Or like in the Silva/Franklin fight maybe Franklin agreed to like not resist the first clinch or something. Or to just take it easy for x amount of time. You never know, it's not exactly rigging the fight, it just gives the other guy a little better advantage. There's some fights that just make you wonder what the **** they were thinking when they made their gameplan.
It would be sad to see the UFC or any MMA event come to that to take in ratings.

But I'm pretty sure it is just because of how overconfident Hughes was with his stand-up. He's been training it alot and after using an gassed, unresponsive and unmoving BJ for a punching bag in the third round of his last fight his confidence in his par stand-up went through the roof. Plus after he couldn't get the take-downs I'm sure he just panicked... excepcially because their was alot more emotion involved in this fight then in Penn's fight.

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I think Hughes was watching too much Smith vs. Sell. He kept smiling at GSP when he took jabs and combos. He wanted to stand and trade with GSP but the thing was that he hardly landed anything in the fight.
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The only thing I can think of to explain these odd gameplans other than they thought it would work and I don't believe this 100% but I have always had a suspiscion that maybe certain fighters get a fatter paycheck if they agree to a set of "special rules". For example in this fight, maybe Dana offered Matt a fatter paycheck if he agreed to keep it standing for x amount of rounds. Or like in the Silva/Franklin fight maybe Franklin agreed to like not resist the first clinch or something. Or to just take it easy for x amount of time. You never know, it's not exactly rigging the fight, it just gives the other guy a little better advantage. There's some fights that just make you wonder what the **** they were thinking when they made their gameplan.
I really don't think there's that kind of conspiracy going on ... Matt did try to take GSP down and failed. Don't forget, when someone is throwing punishing leg kicks and jabs at you and you're in danger of eating knees, you have to be careful about shooting in. Matt was probably looking for an opportunity and in fact when he was caught with that leg kick in round 2 it looked like he was leaning in to go for the leg. The simple fact is GSP was DICTATING the fight and Hughes had to go along. GSP is the superior fighter and athlete and kept the fight where it was to his advantage. Now do you believe GSP has KO power?
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The conspiracy is focking bullsh!t. Hughes overestimated his own standup abilities and underestimated GSPs at the same time. He went in with no other gameplan than to "win" (which he himself said in the post fight interview)

GSP successfully and easily avoided several takedowns while at the same time delivering huge leg kicks that effectively took out Matt's strength in takedown attempts. GSP showed superior skills and more importantly superior thinking in every aspect of the fight.

Please F off with the fight is "fixed" theory, it's BS...

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I just dont think Hughes was ever able to get close enough to GSP to go for the takedown and when he did try it didnt work.

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Jesus calm the **** down I'm not saying that IS what happened it's just something I've been thinking about. You don't have to be so closed minded all the time that you have to flip out at the very thought of someone thinking differently than you. I can't prove my theory is right and you can't prove that it's wrong so I have just as much right to give my opinion as you do. Reading is an option, if you can't comprehend that, get off the forum.

And to Slick, I never said GSP didn't have KO power. I said he has never KOed anybody. Neither has Hughes, and everyone was busting his balls for saying "I wanna knock him out", but when GSP says it, it might as well have been the lord and savior himself saying it right?
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Jesus calm the **** down I'm not saying that IS what happened it's just something I've been thinking about. You don't have to be so closed minded all the time that you have to flip out at the very thought of someone thinking differently than you. I can't prove my theory is right and you can't prove that it's wrong so I have just as much right to give my opinion as you do. Reading is an option, if you can't comprehend that, get off the forum.

And to Slick, I never said GSP didn't have KO power. I said he has never KOed anybody. Neither has Hughes, and everyone was busting his balls for saying "I wanna knock him out", but when GSP says it, it might as well have been the lord and savior himself saying it right?
I wasn't referring to your quote specifically, just fight fixing in the UFC in general, especially as it relates to Hughes.

Even though I find Hughes irritating at times he seems to be extremely honest, religious and competitive. I dont believe there is any chance he'd let anyone convince him to throw a fight. He gets paid plenty from UFC and from endorsements. I dont think his character would allow it.

As for other fighters I dont know but it seems extremely unlikely to me that Hughes would do that. He may be a prick at times but he seems to be an honest and very competitive prick LOL!
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The reason why Matt Hughes didn't go for a takedown is because St. Pierre kept moving around and stayed out of Hughes range! He didn't stand still and made himself an easy target for Hughes! Hughes didn't have a choice but to stand up with GSP!

You forget that this isn't just some brutal sport where everyones out to kill each other. Its much more like a game of physical chess.-looney liam
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Jesus calm the **** down I'm not saying that IS what happened it's just something I've been thinking about. You don't have to be so closed minded all the time that you have to flip out at the very thought of someone thinking differently than you. I can't prove my theory is right and you can't prove that it's wrong so I have just as much right to give my opinion as you do. Reading is an option, if you can't comprehend that, get off the forum.

And to Slick, I never said GSP didn't have KO power. I said he has never KOed anybody. Neither has Hughes, and everyone was busting his balls for saying "I wanna knock him out", but when GSP says it, it might as well have been the lord and savior himself saying it right?

People bust Hughes' balls for saying he wants to knock people out because that isn't realistic at this point in his career. Matt has slim chances at best of knocking someone out because his striking is terrible. And yes when GSP says it people stand by him because he is an excellent striker as he demonstrated vs Hieron, Sherk, and now Hughes.
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