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Old 11-20-2006, 09:59 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The reason why Matt Hughes didn't go for a takedown is because St. Pierre kept moving around and stayed out of Hughes range! He didn't stand still and made himself an easy target for Hughes! Hughes didn't have a choice but to stand up with GSP!
Exactly, it really isnt that hard to figure out why Hughes wasnt shooting. GSP circled and threw that jab beautifully all throughout the fight. Hughes could never really come close to takedown range. As a wrestler I knew there was no way Matt could take him down if the fight kept goin the way it was goin.
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:03 AM   #22 (permalink)
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The reason why Matt Hughes didn't go for a takedown is because St. Pierre kept moving around and stayed out of Hughes range! He didn't stand still and made himself an easy target for Hughes! Hughes didn't have a choice but to stand up with GSP!
That is what I saw in the fight as well. Matt did try to take GSP down when the fight was not going his way and was not successful at all. I just think that Matt himself felt overwhelmed with the skills that GSP showed. There were several times that Matt had a look of almost awe on his face.

You could tell that Matt learned to respect GSP's stand up when after a good couple of shots, Matt smiled and high fived GSP. That told me a lot right there. He was impressed. That showed me that Matt just accepted he might lose that fight.

The takedowns didn't work and he did believe too much in his stand up.

All things said, even if Matt had tried to take him down the whole fight I think that the out come would have been the same.
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:10 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Exactly, it really isnt that hard to figure out why Hughes wasnt shooting. GSP circled and threw that jab beautifully all throughout the fight. Hughes could never really come close to takedown range. As a wrestler I knew there was no way Matt could take him down if the fight kept goin the way it was goin.
Bingo - exactly ... well said.
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:19 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Jesus calm the **** down I'm not saying that IS what happened it's just something I've been thinking about. You don't have to be so closed minded all the time that you have to flip out at the very thought of someone thinking differently than you. I can't prove my theory is right and you can't prove that it's wrong so I have just as much right to give my opinion as you do. Reading is an option, if you can't comprehend that, get off the forum.

And to Slick, I never said GSP didn't have KO power. I said he has never KOed anybody. Neither has Hughes, and everyone was busting his balls for saying "I wanna knock him out", but when GSP says it, it might as well have been the lord and savior himself saying it right?
Calm down ... I'm not attacking you personally ... it's just that when GSP said it, it was MORE believable given what we've seen him do on his feet ... this is not a case where i believe GSP is the be all end all of MMA, in fact I happen to think Penn and even perhaps Diego have a good chance of winning. I think the one poster didn't mean to single you out, it's just that some people get frustrated when others can't simply say he won fair and square
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Old 11-20-2006, 11:06 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I think the one poster didn't mean to single you out, it's just that some people get frustrated when others can't simply say he won fair and square
That is exactly right.
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Old 11-20-2006, 11:17 AM   #26 (permalink)
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It seems Hughes really believed(at the first bell)he was facing a "mentally weak" opponent, probably was the case in Hughes/Gsp 1. The kid growed up.
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Old 11-20-2006, 11:36 AM   #27 (permalink)
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You can sort of look to Franklin's response as to why he stayed in the clinch with Anderson Silva when that looked to be the worst game plan possible - Franklin said he thought certain things would work, when they didn't, he really didn't know what to do and the other person imposed their will on them. I think this is the same with Matt. I really believe he thought he could handle the stand up and take GSP down and work from there. I think he was quite honestly unable to handle the stand up and GSP's level of skill and had no answer ... with the result being kicked in the head!!!!!!!
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Old 11-20-2006, 11:45 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I'll give you four reasons why Hughes COULDN'T go for takedowns (we can't say he didn't go for them, cuz he did)

1. Hughes thought because he picked apart BJ Penn in the third round of a failed fight he could do that to a fresh, full stamina St. Pierre

2. Hughes has never KO'D anything and knows people want to see him do that, and thought against a big marquee fighter like GSP in a "bad blood" hyped up match that would be the perfect finish.

3. He was way too overconfident, practically writing off St. Pierre before the fight even started.

4. St. Pierre was too much for him to handle.

Plain and simple. Matt had a bad game plan, and probably wasn't taking St. Pierre as seriously as he should have. He did that "I beat him once, I'll beat him again" arrogant mentality. I'm done bagging on Hughes as far as him being a prick as we have discussed in several other threads, because now it has appeared that we was a ****, thought he was the shit, and that's about the time when you fall off your high horse.
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Old 11-20-2006, 12:46 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I agree that gsp really moved well and kept jabbing to create that distance, but ive seen tons of wrestlers(and pro wrestlers in pride) simply slide down to get at least a leg, which is in the UFC a much safer place against a striker. But then again, i think what u guys said is right, Matt Hughes might of think his stand up was ok enough.
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Old 11-20-2006, 01:10 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I'll give you four reasons why Hughes COULDN'T go for takedowns (we can't say he didn't go for them, cuz he did)

1. Hughes thought because he picked apart BJ Penn in the third round of a failed fight he could do that to a fresh, full stamina St. Pierre

2. Hughes has never KO'D anything and knows people want to see him do that, and thought against a big marquee fighter like GSP in a "bad blood" hyped up match that would be the perfect finish.

3. He was way too overconfident, practically writing off St. Pierre before the fight even started.

4. St. Pierre was too much for him to handle.

Plain and simple. Matt had a bad game plan, and probably wasn't taking St. Pierre as seriously as he should have. He did that "I beat him once, I'll beat him again" arrogant mentality. I'm done bagging on Hughes as far as him being a prick as we have discussed in several other threads, because now it has appeared that we was a ****, thought he was the shit, and that's about the time when you fall off your high horse.
It wasn't a bad gameplan bro!!!!!!!! Hughes tried for the takedown, he couldn't get close enough most of the time to even consider going for the shoot and when he did he got kicked in the head. In between rounds he must have known he didn't have much more to go on. Hughes wasn't fully recovered after round one, you could see his legs were rubbery and he was slightly glazed over.... he was saved by the bell. Matt Hughes probably should fight one more fight either against GSP or Penn and go out relatively gracefully. He's not gonna beat either of them, that is obvious as hell
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