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Old 11-29-2006, 08:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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"alexs imilionenko will be the new face of the ufc if he comes over" is he that good?
He is pretty good. He is nothing compared to his brother, and not even in the top 5 pride heavyweights. Would he own the UFC Heavyweights...most likely.

I think AA is more overated than Vera. Some ppl think he is god or something. I know his last 2 fights with sylvia sucked cause he was injured in second and got fluke knocked out in the first. But the only top ten heavyweight in the world he has beat was Tim sylvia. Everyone else was nothing special, not necessarily cans but nobody thats world class.
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Old 11-29-2006, 09:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Vera hasn't really been tested. Him destroying a post motorcycle accident Mir doesn't really impress me. Yea, he decimated him, but Frank Mir hasn't shown any signs of full recovery. Oh, wait, he lost his pregnant belly. Yea, that didn't mean much now did it?

Mir stood up with a striker. Why he did this, I'll never know. He got decimated.

Vera shows promise, but this whole sucking off Brandon Vera trend is annoying. He can be a force someday, but saying he can beat Liddell now is stupid. I have seen people post this as well. The HW division is as thin as Randy Couture's hair, so saying he's the uncrown HW champion in the UFC doesn't mean anything.

I just don't get some MMA fans. To them, Tim Sylvia sucks, and hasn't beaten anyone of worth, yet Brandon Vera is one of the greatest fighters today, and has beaten Frank Mir(Which I guess makes Vera the greatest or something).
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Destroy is going a little far. Brandon hasn't fought anyone the size of Sylvia, and in my opinion it might be difficult for him to get used to that at first. He could be leaving himself open to shots he doesn't even know about, just because of the huge advantage Sylvia has with his height and reach.

I think it would be a pretty good back and forth fight. I like both of them quite a bit.
Fabiano sherner (if thats how you spell it) was bigger than silvia and he ate veras knees not saying hes at the skill level of tim but hes still fought some big guys
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People, stop abusing the word:

OVERRATED should not be taken lightly and thrown at just everybody. Not every fighter in the UFC heavyweight division is overrated.

Brandon Vera is undefeated, he trains with one of the best teams in the country, he's a phenomenal thai kickboxer of international reknown and he has very good BJJ and takedown defense. Frankly, I don't think people take him seriously enough.

Granted Vera is a young guy and he has an ego, that does not mean that he should not be taken very seriously. The fact that he finished a former UFC Heavyweight champ in 70 seconds is something that shouldn't be ignored, regardless of the fighting state of that champ, and Mir is not as bad a fighter as people sometimes say he is.

Vera has beaten 4 fighters in the UFC, and three of those guys are underrated. I leave out Fabiano Scherner because he is just not a very good mixed martial artist, but Eilers finished MAK in the first round before running up against the brutal combination of Buentello, Arlovski and Vera and Silva has very underrated wrestling.

Stop hating on Vera just because he has a bad attittude. If you really called them like you saw them then you would be aware that this guy is fighting in the larger MMA organization in America and hasn't had a fight go past the 3 minute mark in his last 3 fights and has beaten into the ground every single person he's stepped in against.

Please, if you are going to claim to be objective and understanding of MMA, take a look at the numbers. Vera does have the next shot at Sylvia and even Sylvia knows it, that's why he was in a bout against a former champ that was sure to be shown on the PPV. Give the man some credit.
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People, stop abusing the word:

OVERRATED should not be taken lightly and thrown at just everybody. Not every fighter in the UFC heavyweight division is overrated.

Brandon Vera is undefeated, he trains with one of the best teams in the country, he's a phenomenal thai kickboxer of international reknown and he has very good BJJ and takedown defense. Frankly, I don't think people take him seriously enough.

Granted Vera is a young guy and he has an ego, that does not mean that he should not be taken very seriously. The fact that he finished a former UFC Heavyweight champ in 70 seconds is something that shouldn't be ignored, regardless of the fighting state of that champ, and Mir is not as bad a fighter as people sometimes say he is.

Vera has beaten 4 fighters in the UFC, and three of those guys are underrated. I leave out Fabiano Scherner because he is just not a very good mixed martial artist, but Eilers finished MAK in the first round before running up against the brutal combination of Buentello, Arlovski and Vera and Silva has very underrated wrestling.

Stop hating on Vera just because he has a bad attittude. If you really called them like you saw them then you would be aware that this guy is fighting in the larger MMA organization in America and hasn't had a fight go past the 3 minute mark in his last 3 fights and has beaten into the ground every single person he's stepped in against.

Please, if you are going to claim to be objective and understanding of MMA, take a look at the numbers. Vera does have the next shot at Sylvia and even Sylvia knows it, that's why he was in a bout against a former champ that was sure to be shown on the PPV. Give the man some credit.
Nice post. I totally agree
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Vera hasn't really been tested. Him destroying a post motorcycle accident Mir doesn't really impress me. Yea, he decimated him, but Frank Mir hasn't shown any signs of full recovery. Oh, wait, he lost his pregnant belly. Yea, that didn't mean much now did it?

Mir stood up with a striker. Why he did this, I'll never know. He got decimated.

Vera shows promise, but this whole sucking off Brandon Vera trend is annoying. He can be a force someday, but saying he can beat Liddell now is stupid. I have seen people post this as well. The HW division is as thin as Randy Couture's hair, so saying he's the uncrown HW champion in the UFC doesn't mean anything.

I just don't get some MMA fans. To them, Tim Sylvia sucks, and hasn't beaten anyone of worth, yet Brandon Vera is one of the greatest fighters today, and has beaten Frank Mir(Which I guess makes Vera the greatest or something).
Damone, I guess I should make this clear, in case the above does not.

I am not saying that Vera can beat Liddell, I'm not saying that he can even beat Sylvia. What I'm saying is that someone calling a fighter with Vera's credentials overrated is stupid and ignorant.
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Old 11-29-2006, 11:03 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Point taken, and I agree to some extent. Will Vera be a future champion? Probably, because he seems to be well rounded. Right now, I think Vera should fight a couple of really tough opponents. Maybe someone like Jeff Monson or Arlovski(I'm not big on the guy, but he'd be a nice win for Vera).
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Right now, I think Vera should fight a couple of really tough opponents. Maybe someone like Jeff Monson or Arlovski(I'm not big on the guy, but he'd be a nice win for Vera).
I think that Vera should take one more fight before fighting Sylvia, and I think that's how it will go. I also think that Monson might be a bad matchup for Vera because of the level of his ground game, but Arlovski would be an even worse matchup.

I think that, theoretically, Vera can win those fights, but in reality it's a lot harder than it sounds. I think that Dana will have him beat another nobody before throwing him at Sylvia and marketing Vera as the next big thing.

Either that, or Vera drops down to lightheavyweight, where he has a better matchup, and fights one bout before taking a shot at the winner of Liddell/Ortiz, who will probably smash him, but you never know.

I think Vera is small enough and talented enough that he can do what no one but Couture has done, and that's win the heavyweight title in a weak UFC heavyweight division and, after a long stand as a heavyweight, drop down to lightheavyweight at beat an aging Liddell or Ortiz. At this point that is looking more and more possible.
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Old 11-30-2006, 04:26 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Vera is not overated come on.. He is one of the hw in ufc that suck but not to much like the reste of the other guy.....can some tell me a name of a good hw in ufc
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I don't think people are talking about this correctly. Vera is not overrated. People are not overrating him.

Look at the UFC HW division. There's fresh blood in it. Let people be excited about it. Sylvia for the most part is boring (except the few of you who love him.) AA Fell apart and will most likely not get another title shot while Tim is there. The only other new hope we had, and we were "OVERRATING" him was Cheick Kongo and he got spanked.

Vera is a new face (to the UFC mainstream now) and is a great fighter. Let people be amped up about what he can do! Think of it this way, if it wasn't Vera, who else would we be talking about fighting Sylvia?

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