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Old 11-26-2006, 03:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I seriously think the organization is exploiting the fighters who would fight for next to nothing just to SAY they have UFC on their resume ... fame and rep is sometimes enough to lure in these guys ...
I agree with that statement.
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Old 11-26-2006, 03:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I know I'm going to be blasted for this thread but WTF it needs to be said.

From what I've read on this forum and elsewhere an overwhelming majority of people believe that UFC fighters need to be paid more. It has been my contention for a long time that any UFC fighter that is in #1 contender status should be paid a minimum of $100,000 for a title shot. Also, I believe that the minimum fight purse, win or loose, for any fighter appearing on a ppv event should be $15,000. So, why does the UFC have such weak and imbalanced pay-outs? Some might say that the UFC and Zuffa are not managed properly or that they are just plain greedy. I disagree, I think they are not only well managed but Dana White would very much like to pay his fighters more.

A thousand people can find a thousand reasons why this situation is going on.

I believe one reason is that there is major and widespread copyright infringement which siphons many millions of dollars away from the UFC. An obvious example is the posting of UFC fights on YouTube, Google video, and many other web locations. Think about it, if a person knows that a recent UFC event will be posted for anyone to see, free of charge, they might say 'the hell with paying $40 for the ppv or $20 for the DVD, I can get it free on the web'. Granted, the production value is greatly reduced.

I've gotten caught in this myself. I've watched several fights online, and even attempted to upload fights myself. Fortunately I came to my senses. It should also be made clear that there is a difference between a fight video and a highlight clip.
As I said in the beginning, I know I'm going to be blasted for this. Fine, but the next time some starts a thread about how ill-paid UFC fighters are and how embarrassed Dana White should be, think about what you or thousands of others are doing that directly affect the wages of hard-working fighters who perform for you.

Let the blasting begin.

First off, if it weren't for copyright infringement...I would have never purchased my first UFC show last month. Second, it's more about the distrubution of pay thats the issue, not the amount.
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Old 11-26-2006, 03:38 PM   #13 (permalink)
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There's a fine line to walk here..

The posting of fights online might keep some fans from buying the PPV but I'm not convinced it is a significant number.

Where they would be losing money is their web service that offers videos for cash. However I feel that service is severely lacking at the moment and until it's improved people will continue to find ways to access videos free of charge from other sources.

On the flip side - for a sport that's fighting to get into the mainstream spotlight, allowing 'some' videos to be posted on free sites isn't such a bad strategy. It's good advertising that money CAN'T buy. UFC management would be well advised to take advantage of the raging popularity of sites such as YouTube.
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Old 11-26-2006, 04:00 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I know I'm going to be blasted for this thread but WTF it needs to be said.

From what I've read on this forum and elsewhere an overwhelming majority of people believe that UFC fighters need to be paid more. It has been my contention for a long time that any UFC fighter that is in #1 contender status should be paid a minimum of $100,000 for a title shot. Also, I believe that the minimum fight purse, win or loose, for any fighter appearing on a ppv event should be $15,000. So, why does the UFC have such weak and imbalanced pay-outs? Some might say that the UFC and Zuffa are not managed properly or that they are just plain greedy. I disagree, I think they are not only well managed but Dana White would very much like to pay his fighters more.

A thousand people can find a thousand reasons why this situation is going on.

I believe one reason is that there is major and widespread copyright infringement which siphons many millions of dollars away from the UFC. An obvious example is the posting of UFC fights on YouTube, Google video, and many other web locations. Think about it, if a person knows that a recent UFC event will be posted for anyone to see, free of charge, they might say 'the hell with paying $40 for the ppv or $20 for the DVD, I can get it free on the web'. Granted, the production value is greatly reduced.

I've gotten caught in this myself. I've watched several fights online, and even attempted to upload fights myself. Fortunately I came to my senses. It should also be made clear that there is a difference between a fight video and a highlight clip.
As I said in the beginning, I know I'm going to be blasted for this. Fine, but the next time some starts a thread about how ill-paid UFC fighters are and how embarrassed Dana White should be, think about what you or thousands of others are doing that directly affect the wages of hard-working fighters who perform for you.

Let the blasting begin.
i always buy the PPV's and DVD's.. but mabe if they stopped promoting the next PPV so much DURING PPV's... they would get more viewers.. i mean UFC doesnt even show the pre lim fights... i dont want to be payin 40 bucks to see the same commercial over 20 times in 2 hours... shit is annoying as hell..... especially when u know.. there are fights happenin that you dont even get to see...
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Someone said in another thread that the UFC is paying its fighters all it can but I seriously find that hard to believe. The PPV revenues are excessive, and if they can afford a mult-million dollar house and training center in Vegas, they can't be hurting too badly...
The multi million dolla house is probs rented, if not then property is an investment anyway.
The training centre they where they were in can also be rented by the day/hour/month, and if brought can also be an investment.
That and the fact that the reality TV show also brings in revenue from advertising from not only the companies advertised within the show, but also the advertiseing slots inbetween. So all in all its a money makeing show.

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Someone said in another thread that the UFC is paying its fighters all it can but I seriously find that hard to believe.
As ive said, i hear they had been makeing a BIG loss for MANY years, i have no idea of the figures but a loss year in year out is gonna leave a big dent, they have only recently been makeing a profit so that profit has to go back into paying off the losses before giving fighters a mill a fight. Plus the fact its gonna have shareholders that need paying first as they are the people that make this happen.

Give its 3-5 years and they will be on a million a fight which in my oppinion is PLENTY.
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They make $35 million on the average PPV in PPV TV revenues alone - forget gate receipts, bout sponsors, etc. I really doubt that their production and event related expenses are anything near that figure.

The problem with fighter wages might be that as fans we're only seeing part of the story. A lot of these guys have contracts with the UFC, and sponsorships negotiated through the UFC with TapOut or Xyience.
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Old 11-26-2006, 04:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Everyone seems to be forgetting the debt they may be in. It would be good if they released their true debt to the public so we can see how much debt they are in.
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Old 11-26-2006, 05:49 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The number one problem is the lack of competition the UFC has. They are the number one organization and no one can compete with them within the US right now. So they can pay their fighters shit, put on a crappy card every month, hype it up and end up with millions every month. Of course another big problem are the little guys who are letting this happen. The people downloading or watching the fights free on the Internet are not contributing to this problem as much as the people who actually pay. If the UFC can continue to pay their fighters as little as possible, they are going to.
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Old 11-26-2006, 06:22 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The copyright thing is DEFINATLY not the reason why UFC cant pay their fighters more, if i compare it to the main competitor on the worldwide market of mma, Pride.


Go to Youtube,Video google, dailymotion and other sites to watch videos, search for UFC and then search for Pride(i suggest searching specific fights, cuz ive tried with just pride, and i keep getting gay parades )

the UFC already has put a stop to this, if you look at Youtube, they already have blocked any recent PPV fights. Its not because u can see the picture of the fight that u can actually see the fight. at dailymotion, its the only place u can find it right now, i think its because dailymotion is not based in the US(not sure at all). Anyways, they are not never up after 1-2 days, so its like watching a hockey game when u already know the score...

If you look at Pride, they are so many more fights u can watch, from recent to old. yet, they were still paying their fighters more.

And in any case, from those who were watching any UFC/Pride event from the net, how many would of actually bought the dvd, or pay the PPV event? I would def say less than 50%, but i have nothing to prove it. So in the end, video sharing might actually increase the number of potential mma fans, therefore incresing the potential sells of whatever product, from tickets to ppv. Its the same debate as for music sharing, but unlike music, mma is def not known to general public.
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Old 11-26-2006, 06:24 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Very good point f-dog. I'm sure it definetely has something to do with salaries. I'm glad I don't download the vids without ordering the event first. Yeah I take part in the free vids but I also pay for every PPV event. Never thought of that......good post
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