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post #11 of 37 (permalink) Old 06-14-2009, 04:00 PM
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Take a look at this man and tell me he is dwarfed by them. The dude is a freakin beast with like like maybe 1% Body fat. Ontop of that he is taller than both Lesnar and Carwin. Please explain how he is dwarfed by anyone other than Hong Man Choi?

They may be a slight bit bulkier than Kongo goinginto the fight but fact is NEITHER of them have the technique that Kongo does with his strikes either.


I jsut dont understand why your so willing to jump ship on him on something so damned trivial. There was nothing bad about his performance other than his rookie instinct to go in guns blazing. The dude has jsut begun his MMA career and it's like everyone expects him to beat Fedor tomorrow or something.

He is not ready for the big time but he is so young and has a tremendous future ahead of him. The dude is only going to get better and when he does he'll be more than able to tool Lesnar IMO.
The only problem is that Lesnar has just started too, has even less fights, but higher profile ones, under his belt. He's improving too, and physically, he's better than Cain: bigger, stroger, faster. And can knock people down with his fists. Also, he's not a better wrestler than Couture or Lesnar, maybe on the same level as Lesnar, but the size and strenght difference would put Brock on top.
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not height wise but weight lesnar struggles to make it to hw

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this fight on the ground was alot like lesnar herring on the ground. i dont understand why these big powerful guys dont put their hooks in and go for the neck. there probably both strong enough to make guys tap without a proper choke.
You mean it was like Lesnar Herring excepts Cain was constantly active and keeping and insane pace with transitions, slams, takedowns, sweeps and relentless GNP that didnt solely consist of hammerfists.

Cain just got ahead of himself and did attempt several subs but he was just to ahead of himself and thats why his corner was yelling positioning before offence.

As I said the dude is new to MMA and will improve on these mistakes give him time to grow and we are going to have a real star on our hands. I know he isnt at a Carwin or Lesnar level yet but he will be soon and everyone is jumping ship on a guy who is no where near his prime yet.

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I think this would happen

cain vs. carwin

loser of lesnar and mir vs the winner of carwin and cain

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I think this would happen

cain vs. carwin

loser of lesnar and mir vs the winner of carwin and cain
More like winner of Carwin vs Cain fights the winner of Lesnar vs Mir. These two guys are right up there and should get a title shot, only other people maybe ahead of them is the winner of Nog vs Couture but I think they should face the loser not the winner.
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I dont think any of them deserve a title shot yet they have only beat one legit fighter

carwin: gonzaga

cain: kongo

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I dont think any of them deserve a title shot yet they have only beat one legit fighter

carwin: gonzaga

cain: kongo
and Lesnar didn't beat a legit fight so both Cain and Carwin are both completely worthy at this point, especially with no losses on their records.

I see Cain doing very well against the underskilled Lesnar. I think he'd be able to bully Lesnar, while having a strong enough chin to potentially eat a power punch. On the ground Cain has proven that he can be more controlling with better technique than Lesnar's dry humping.

Against Carwin, I see Cain getting TKO'd. Carwin has sick power and the wrestling skill to match up to Cain's ground game. His ground and pound is much more lethal than Cain's and would stop the fight.

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yer I agree that lesnar didnt deserve it but he did lose to one of the best hw's in the world. and also he is a huge draw becuase wwe fans will start to tune in think of all the moeny

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I love how all the MMA newbs jump ship on fighters faster than rats on a sinking ship. HOW THE HELL IS HIS CHIN SUSPECT!?

Power/Force=Mass+Acceleration.
Power= Work/Time..and Force= Mass x Acceleration....just saying. haha just messing bud, i agree with you that a lot of fans are being fickle and hopping off the cain train rather quickly, but you can't deny that this fight exposed some of holes in cain's game. i think the UFC and his training partners may have jumped the gun a bit comparing him to A. Silva and GSP, but i'll wait and see how does with his next opponent before i make any more judgments.

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and Lesnar didn't beat a legit fight so both Cain and Carwin are both completely worthy at this point, especially with no losses on their records.

I see Cain doing very well against the underskilled Lesnar. I think he'd be able to bully Lesnar, while having a strong enough chin to potentially eat a power punch. On the ground Cain has proven that he can be more controlling with better technique than Lesnar's dry humping.

Against Carwin, I see Cain getting TKO'd. Carwin has sick power and the wrestling skill to match up to Cain's ground game. His ground and pound is much more lethal than Cain's and would stop the fight.
I think Lesnar would definitely (T)KO Cain too if he connected. he had amazing recovery in the Kongo fight, but everytime Kongo connected Cain got hurt, so his chin looks a little suspect at this point, IMO.

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Cain has no chin? He took some of Kongos best shot right on the chin and didn't get knocked out. When I saw that fight I thought "Damn this guy has a good chin! How did he survive that?" Also, it's hard to judge Cains stand up in this fight cause there was so little of it and Kongo is imo by far the best striker in the HW division. I think Kongo needs to go with a Liddell strategy and only work TDD and some ground defense in his next camp. Who can stand with him? In a few years Cain will be a beast, but so will Lesner and Carwin. HW division is looking very good.
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