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  • Brock Lesnar

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***OFFICIAL*** Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir Pre/Post Fight

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#1 · (Edited)





Please conduct ALL of your discussion in regards to Brock Lesnar facing Frank Mir in this thread. All threads made in regards to this fight will be merged into this one.

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#3 ·
Nah I agree that Lesnar will definitely be cooler and have that belief but I think he also has the same game plan each time [not that we've seen him fight much], but I think he'll come out of the traps lightning fast as usual and use those big hammer fists if he get's Mir on the ground. I know Lesnar's been working on his BJJ too a bit but Mir is still a much better fighter all round.
 
#4 ·
Lesnar is going to ragdoll Mir. He is going to use his insane reach and catch Mir with a big right Then follow up with some intelligent and brutal ground pound, and Mazzagatti wont be there to save Mir this time.

I love ya Frankie, but Lesnar is an animal. I dont think Mir wants this fight AT ALL!! He knows Brock has only gotten better, and he knows how close he was to getting killed the first time.
 
#5 ·
I give Mir credit for improving his stand up but I don't think he can withstand the power punching of Brock. You know Brock has been working his BJJ non-stop since his last fight and his sub defense should be much improved. Add to this that Brock has something to prove since his lone loss was to Mir and he will come into this fight with bad intentions.

Overall I am stoked to watch the whole card.
 
#6 ·
When I think of this fight coming up, my heart pounds faster and I get this rush that I have never gotten for a fight. Heavyweight fights in the UFC are picking up big time, and this event will make my summer. I'm hoping Brock can humble Mir with GnP, shake his hand, and get ready for the next big drawing fight. Both of these guys just had kids, so prepare for plenty of that during the countdown show..
Piledrive him right in front of his loudmouth wife Brock.
 
#7 ·
Mir will take Brock down...somehow...lolz! I just want to see Brock work off his back. I think he'll be a fish outta water. 100-5 record in NCAA means he's the one usually controlling the mat. My bets with Mir if he plays this right. One thing people don't realize is Brock's reach. Crazy reach...but the stats aren't too terribly far off size wise...or not...haha.

Brock Lesnar:
Height 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)[1]
Weight 265 lb (120 kg)[1]
Reach 81 in (210 cm)[2]

Frank Mir:
Height 6 ft 3 in (190 cm)
Weight 245 lb (112 kg)
Reach 79.0 in (201 cm)[1]
 
#8 ·
Yeah Mir is a big boy himself, they listed him at 251lbs at ufc 92. But Lesnar is definitely bigger, doesn't he actually weight like 280-285lbs come fight night?
 
#9 ·
Yah Dana White twittered earlier that Brock is at 285 right now which means in off training he's probably 300lbs of solid meat. Geezus...come weigh ins he's at the max 265then bulks back up to 280ish. Don't understand how he has fast twitch muscles for that size. It's crazy. If one of the Gracies taught him Jiu Jitsu I really think it would be game over.

Isn't that funny. Frank Mir beats Lesnar and Nog, but is still the underdog...lolz!
 
#10 ·
I've allways thought that the reach measurement is a joke.It's measured across the entire back.Not many guys punch from their side.If it's a jab then that helps but not from a punch from your back shoulder(your power punch).It shoud be measured from the shoulder.When you think about it,your legs factor in too.If you have long legs and throw from the balls of your feet,it's gonna go farther.
Some thing to meditate on fellas....I'm going with Mir if he's in shape.
 
#12 ·
I don't know, Mir's standup looked good last fight.
Brock's got insane speed for his size (and in general) but not much skill... idk.
 
#13 ·
I dont think it would be a good idea for Mir to utilize his improved striking skills in this fight. Lets be honest, If Brock lands....he lands hard. I just can't see how Mir can win this fight unless Brock makes another novice mistake. With all the training he has been doing, that shouldn't happen so I have to choose Brock for this one.
 
#24 ·
As much as I don't want to, I have to agree. I don't particularly like Mir but I want him to beat Lesnar, I just can't see it happening, purely because of the last fight and the fact that Lesnar has surely improved since. I know Mir has improved also but I just see borck steam-rolling him yet again and this time finishing the job.
 
#15 ·
i want mir to win, can't stand lesnar acting like he's all good after getting a title shot way too early
mir by submission
 
#17 ·
There was only really one reason that Mir was able to win the fight the first time and that was Mazzagatti. It was the worst referee decision I have ever seen. He stood them up because Mir rolled into a set of flying fists and two connected to back of head. Normally a ref issues a warning. Obviously Mazzagatti had a thing for Mir so he let him restart.

If it also wasn't for a really rookie mistake of standing up and basically issuing up a leg to a guy who knows what to do with it then Lesnar would be undefeated right now.

I see this fight going to round two ending in a TKO win for Lesnar.
 
#19 ·
Mir by sub.

I know that Brock Lesnar has grown as a fighter since the last time that these two met, but I still think Mir is way too technical and experienced to lose this fight. His ground game is incredible and his stand up has improved greatly. Who has Lesnar proved himself against? Herring and Randy Couture who is way past his prime. I think Frank Mir will win by submission once again.
 
#20 ·
lesnar by ko or tko round 2 I see the first round just brock lying on top
 
#25 ·
I see this fight going almost exactly like the first one, they come out and trade punches, Lesnar lands one and down goes Mir. Lensar gets on top of him, but this time stays in full guard and just starts donkey konging him into next week. The ref comes in to stop it and Mir's face looks like he went down in another accident.
 
#27 ·
Frank Mir is one underdog I want to win

An article in Science of Fights

A true challenge lies ahead of Frank Mir. The former UFC heavyweight champ and now Interim heavyweight champ will battle the other holder of the belt, Brock Lesnar, in UFC 100.


Mir had proven that he have the skills and the will to be the best. Even after the seemingly career-ending injury, he bounced back to fight again eventually beating the MMA Hall of Famer, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, to claim the Interim championship. Now, to settle the best UFC heavyweight, he will try to defeat Brock Lesnar --- the physical powerhouse he narrowly defeated last year.


It should be noted that at that time, it was still at the infancy of Lesnar’s MMA experience and development. Frank Mir was severely pummeled and it looked like he was losing. But suddenly, with a stroke of brilliance, he caught the inexperienced Lesnar in a sensational kneebar to win the match.

After that match, Mir had shown huge improvement in his stand-up striking and cardio. He dominated Nogueira and taunted Lesnar saying that he wants half of his belt back. Alternatively, Lesnar had fought twice since their match. He conquered power-punching Heath Herring and the geriatric wonder, Randy Couture. Lesnar had clearly improved in all aspects, especially in his striking and pacing but more importantly, he gained a great amount of experience against the two veterans he had fought. Lesnar had learned to avoid the rookie mistakes and embraced his superior physicality.

In scrutiny, Mir’s distinct advantage over Lesnar is his jiu-jitsu but it is difficult to imagine that Lesnar will make the same mistake of leaving a submission opening again. For sure, Brock will devote his training in submission defense. By negating the jiu-jitsu, he feels that there is no way that Mir can win. Based on the first match, he is massively stronger, more powerful, and deceptively faster. On UFC 100, he will try assert his size advantage through his wrestling skills. He may resort to striking using those cinder blocks he calls fists.

I’m not counting Mir out. I’m just stressing that Frank Mir’s odds are reasonably not good. Personally, I want Mir to win because in his victory, the essence of martial arts will be demonstrated. I want to see that a physically disadvantaged guy can win against a monster by means of skill and heart.
 
#33 ·
An article in Science of Fights

A true challenge lies ahead of Frank Mir. The former UFC heavyweight champ and now Interim heavyweight champ will battle the other holder of the belt, Brock Lesnar, in UFC 100.


Mir had proven that he have the skills and the will to be the best. Even after the seemingly career-ending injury, he bounced back to fight again eventually beating the MMA Hall of Famer, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, to claim the Interim championship. Now, to settle the best UFC heavyweight, he will try to defeat Brock Lesnar --- the physical powerhouse he narrowly defeated last year.


It should be noted that at that time, it was still at the infancy of Lesnar’s MMA experience and development. Frank Mir was severely pummeled and it looked like he was losing. But suddenly, with a stroke of brilliance, he caught the inexperienced Lesnar in a sensational kneebar to win the match.

After that match, Mir had shown huge improvement in his stand-up striking and cardio. He dominated Nogueira and taunted Lesnar saying that he wants half of his belt back. Alternatively, Lesnar had fought twice since their match. He conquered power-punching Heath Herring and the geriatric wonder, Randy Couture. Lesnar had clearly improved in all aspects, especially in his striking and pacing but more importantly, he gained a great amount of experience against the two veterans he had fought. Lesnar had learned to avoid the rookie mistakes and embraced his superior physicality.

In scrutiny, Mir’s distinct advantage over Lesnar is his jiu-jitsu but it is difficult to imagine that Lesnar will make the same mistake of leaving a submission opening again. For sure, Brock will devote his training in submission defense. By negating the jiu-jitsu, he feels that there is no way that Mir can win. Based on the first match, he is massively stronger, more powerful, and deceptively faster. On UFC 100, he will try assert his size advantage through his wrestling skills. He may resort to striking using those cinder blocks he calls fists.

I’m not counting Mir out. I’m just stressing that Frank Mir’s odds are reasonably not good. Personally, I want Mir to win because in his victory, the essence of martial arts will be demonstrated. I want to see that a physically disadvantaged guy can win against a monster by means of skill and heart.

Great post....Repped....I think your analysis is spot on and I am also worried that brock will try to outstrike Mir and I think Mir has prepared equally the way Brock has with his sub defense I believe Mir has also improved his striking and more importantly his counter striking.....

This is gonna be a storm in the first round but if Mir can move around and tire Brock a little then he maybe able to assert that improved striking....

Otherwise it would never shock me to see Mir pull guard and try to finish brock....look for a gullotine.....:thumbsup:
 
#28 ·
at this point i don't have any personal preference for mir or lesnar. i never watched pro wrestling so i cant get behind lesnar for his "acting" career but i also think mir has only recently blossomed as a fighter (as opposed to a grappler), and although a his TKO of Nog is meaningful, Brock's was perhaps even moreso, given Randy had wrecked the previous UFC champ so badly.

what i would like to see happen is the most well-rounded MMA fighter to win, and I think that is Mir, but Lesnar will probably win by TKO, and if no that, UD. He will hold Mir down and rain incredible crazy punches. I also think there is a distinct possibility he will knock Mir down like he did Randy and the fight may be stopped in the first, most likely the second, that way. Brock hits VERY hard and mir's standup defense is still unproven unless you cound a staph-infected big nog.
 
#29 ·
I'm sorry, but I cringe everytime I hear how he dominated Lesnar in their first fight as he relives that fight in his mind. How embarrased Lesnar must feel to lose in 90 seconds. Mir was taken down immidiately and was getting pounded, it WAS a poor ref decision, and it soiled the fight. It may just as well have ended the same way, but it sure wasn't looking like it. I'm not a big fan of either fighter, I just hope it's a clean fight with no controversy like their first fight.
 
#30 ·
"In scrutiny, Mir’s distinct advantage over Lesnar is his jiu-jitsu but it is difficult to imagine that Lesnar will make the same mistake of leaving a submission opening again."

Huh? It isn't hard to imagine that at all. The only question will be if Mir can get him down and not get hurt. If it goes to the ground and Mir isn't rocked then he'll sub him again. I'm sure Lesnar's sub defense has improved but it isn't going to be enough if it goes to the ground and Mir is still conscious.

I'm not saying Lesnar can't win this fight, he easily could but saying a sub is unlikely makes no sense.
 
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