[King JLB]

Originally Posted by Calminian

Why do you believe they are no longer in their prime? Is it solely because they lost in the UFC, and badly at that? It must be, because they're still all relatively young. All of them are younger than Carwin, in fact.

Valid point, but longevity comes into play does it not? Carwin has been fighting for less than three years. Nog, Barnett and Mirko have been at it for over a decade. I do honestly believe that 10 years of getting beat up (win or lose) takes its toll. This isn't a question of UFC vs. Pride, it's about understanding or admitting a fighter's accomplishments and abilities. Fedor is the best p4p fighter in the world. Some people may not agree with that, but he's done so many unbelievable things.

Example: I hate BJ Penn because of his attitude and the silver spoon. But I do respect his abilities and recognize that he is an incredible fighter. If he had a better work ethic he'd very well be up there as a top p4p or even the top p4p fighter in the world.

I do not believe your arguments have successfully backed up your claim that Fedor is all hype. While I don't think he is unbeatable, we can't assume that any one fighter could beat him based on the fact that he's faced the best of many different disciplines.

Originally Posted by HexRei

Barnett was about ten years younger and tested positive for steroids when he beat Couture. What's your point?

It was purely in defense of Barnett who deserves to be ranked among the top heavyweights. But you're totally right, I completely overlooked the 'roids. Repped.

[Calminian]

Originally Posted by Soakked

I must admit I know what you mean with people comparing Fedor to God and all, but seriously give the man his due.

Of course he does. Cop and Nog also deserve their dues. All I'm saying is, he's not the best HW now. It's the truth. Should I not say it even if it's true?

Originally Posted by Soakked

I will always be a Fedor fan, no matter what. Unfortunately the harsh truth is that humans get old and lose their edge. Fedor has flawless technique, but anyone can get knocked out, I don't care who you are. I wouldn't have matter what organization he fought for, if he was in the UFC or Pride back then he would have dominated that's just how good he was. I'm not sure if he's still invincible, as it's been quite a few years since then, but I would easily put him in the Top 3 HW's now. And Barnett isn't a joke either BTW.

I don't disagree with any of this. I'm merely saying the best HW's are now in the UFC and they're improving rapidly. Fedor was good in his category a few years ago. It's no longer the case. He would lose to several fighters in the UFC. But I don't think we'll ever find out.

[Soakked]

Fair enough, I respect your opinion and it is valid one, though I don't agree that he isn't in the running anymore. I think Brock would be a bad match up for him. Other than Brock I see Fedor easily winning any of the top HWs in the UFC.

[Calminian]

Originally Posted by King JLB

Valid point, but longevity comes into play does it not? Carwin has been fighting for less than three years. Nog, Barnett and Mirko have been at it for over a decade. I do honestly believe that 10 years of getting beat up (win or lose) takes its toll. This isn't a question of UFC vs. Pride, it's about understanding or admitting a fighter's accomplishments and abilities. Fedor is the best p4p fighter in the world. Some people may not agree with that, but he's done so many unbelievable things.

They also have great experience from fighting over a decade. And they suffered very few KO's over their careers. Nog I don't think suffered any in Pride. And they were just fine until they stepped in the Octagon. Suddenly they were over the hill?

And why not make the case that Silvia and AA were washed up when they fought Fedor? Silvia went through back surgery. Both looked terrible before and after their fights with Fedor. Yet these were still in their prime?

I'm just not buying it. Suddenly all Pride HW's get old at the same time? Sorry, it's all hype which would end the moment Fedor followed their footsteps.

Originally Posted by Soakked

Fair enough, I respect your opinion and it is valid one, though I don't agree that he isn't in the running anymore. I think Brock would be a bad match up for him. Other than Brock I see Fedor easily winning any of the top HWs in the UFC.

Respect back at you. I just wish Fedor would take the challenge. UFC, like it or not, is the NBA/NFL of mma.

[Furey]

Originally Posted by Soakked

Fair enough, I respect your opinion and it is valid one, though I don't agree that he isn't in the running anymore. I think Brock would be a bad match up for him. Other than Brock I see Fedor easily winning any of the top HWs in the UFC.

I see where your coming from but to be fair Fedor has done over big guys before, getting them in submissions.. just look at Hong Man Choi. Now I'm not in anyway comparing Brock to Choi as Brock is on another level especially power wise and the way he roughs up his opponents but I do think that if Brock makes a mistake, leaving himself exposed by really going at Fedor, then Fedor would take advantage of it.

[leifdawg]

I want to see Fedor fight in a cage. I'm pretty sure most good wrestlers could pin him up against the cage and TKO.