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post #11 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-15-2009, 05:59 PM Thread Starter
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Im not saying his wins over those guys arent great wins. They are! All im saying is that alot of them were tailor made for him to beat.

People make him out to be unbeatable when he is not. That is my only point. There are fighters that have no weaknesses, and he isnt one of them. Fedorhas no chink in his armor. He has good striking, great subs, good TD's, good TDD. He has everything, so noone matches up well with him. Same thing with GSP, very good striker, great TD's, great TDD, very good bjj, and he controls where the fight takes place.

Silva although being great, isnt as complete as GSP and Fedor. If you get a big strong wrestler with good bjj, you can beat Silva because his TDD is weak.

If he fights Couture, he might just get exposed and beaten up badly. If it was COuture of 04 or 05 at LHW, Silva would WORKED. A guy like Randy is Silva's kryptonite.

Fedor and GSP dont have anyone that can expose a weakness on them. Silva does.

With that being said, Silva is an amazing fighter. I always root against him. But I always end up disappointed. I just want the UFC to give him a guy like Randy instead of another rematch.

Edit: Silva's bjj isnt that good. He only finishes guys once they are already hurt(Hendo) And Lutter was gassed and tapped from elbows. Randy would batter Silva from the guard. And I wont even mention what Fedor would do in his guard. YOu thought what he did to Nog was bad, jeez.




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How is his wrestling subpar because one of the best wrestlers ever in MMA took him down once and held him inplace doing no damage? He mostly gets taken down because he isn't afraid of going to the ground and opens up his offense to it. Saying he has weak TDD is as dumb as saying Rampage doesn't know how to check a leg kick. It is part of their strategy what happened when Silva decided he didn't want to be taken down in the Marquardt and Leites fights? You have no credibility on Silva all you do is make shit up to hate on him.
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Im not saying his wins over those guys arent great wins. They are! All im saying is that alot of them were tailor made for him to beat.

People make him out to be unbeatable when he is not. That is my only point. There are fighters that have no weaknesses, and he isnt one of them. Fedorhas no chink in his armor. He has good striking, great subs, good TD's, good TDD. He has everything, so noone matches up well with him. Same thing with GSP, very good striker, great TD's, great TDD, very good bjj, and he controls where the fight takes place.

Silva although being great, isnt as complete as GSP and Fedor. If you get a big strong wrestler with good bjj, you can beat Silva because his TDD is weak.

If he fights Couture, he might just get exposed and beaten up badly. If it was COuture of 04 or 05 at LHW, Silva would WORKED. A guy like Randy is Silva's kryptonite.

Fedor and GSP dont have anyone that can expose a weakness on them. Silva does.

With that being said, Silva is an amazing fighter. I always root against him. But I always end up disappointed. I just want the UFC to give him a guy like Randy instead of another rematch.

Edit: Silva's bjj isnt that good. He only finishes guys once they are already hurt(Hendo) And Lutter was gassed and tapped from elbows. Randy would batter Silva from the guard. And I wont even mention what Fedor would do in his guard. YOu thought what he did to Nog was bad, jeez.
ha i got you now! fedor has a huge chink in his armor, sure he's great at everything but.. you forgot... he cuts.. hes made of flesh and such.



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A major flaw in your argument is that you discredit Silva based on the fact he has showed marked superiority over his opposition, despite the fact that his opposition was considered the best available in his weight class.
A victory should never be viewed as less impressive simply because it was lopsided, nor should it serve as a means of downgrading the calibre of opposition.

Same goes for your argument that he is a lesser fighter for competing at 185 pounds, obviously his ideal class. Should Tito Ortiz, who you offer as an ideal fighter to defeat Silva, have his own wins diminished because they didn't come against heavyweights?
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Anderson is just simply amazing
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Here is a link to his loss against Daiju Takase:

http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...se-487585.html

If GSP were to ever fight him and get him down, I see him winning in similar fashion.
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Anderson in Pride was a long time ago. He had v little bjj then. Now he is actually quiet good at bjj.

But what really changed is somewhere along the way he picked up incredible striking power. I can only imagine there is a particuler strength trainer he really knows how to train fighters for explosive strength. He is alot thicker than he was in Pride. Lyoto too after training with Anderson got a lot more striking power.

Also Anderson's footwork is better now in Pride, he will just keep his distance and avoid the takedown.

The Daiju Takase fight is hardly relevant to beating Anderson now

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At one point, I would have agreed.

However, after his win against Forrest, how he won? Man.. Anderson is the real deal.
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Here is a link to his loss against Daiju Takase:

http://www.break.com/usercontent/200...se-487585.html

If GSP were to ever fight him and get him down, I see him winning in similar fashion.
Spider version UFC would knock out or tapout Spider version Pride within the first 30 seconds...there's no comparison in either striking or grappling. They say it takes seven years to shed off every cell on your body and become a completely new body albeit one with resemblence to a body that no longer exists.

Silva circa PRIDE no longer exists.

In Pride he fought like he had a Bachelors degree in MMA with honors. In the UFC he fights like he owns the highest Doctorate in MMA.

GSP might have a shot against that old version, but against the current physical dissection machine, he'd need a new face.

Here's what Georges St. Pierre HIMSELF has to say about The Spider's place in the P4P list


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post #20 of 42 (permalink) Old 08-16-2009, 01:58 AM
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I can't believe folks are digging matches out of the crypts, when AS was still more of a boxer than a MMA technician. Sure, a "Back to the Future" world some of the fighters today may have a chance against him... but now?

By the way, Anderson used to like dressing in Michael Jackson outfits and danced like Michael Jackson too are you going to bring that up to challenge his cred when he comes out to DMX music?
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