Agreed.. Let me add to this a bit lol
Originally Posted by jamlena
Boy, that's some funny stuff, are you kidding, Ken Shamrock in his prime would have wiped the floor with Tito and here is why:
1) In his prime Ken was alot stronger than Tito will ever be. Shamrock was a bull...
2) The Tournament style is not something Tito would have been able to handle ( I like Tito, but that's the truth )
3) Shamrock's conditioning was one of the best at that time, the man was a machine.
4) Tito would not be able to GNP ( we all know this is his strength ) and Shamrock was better on the ground at that time.
This is all hypothetical of course but down on paper a young Shamrock would not have been a cakewalk for Tito.
You forgot to mention ref stoppages... How the refs (including Big John) let fights go A LOT further before stopping it.
Anyone remember Kenny vs Dan Severn?
Ken was so bloody you couldnt even see his fn FACE! GUess what>? WON THAT FIGHT TOO
lets look at their records for a sec here, I'll highlight the wins that mean something k? Excepting the fights between the two.
Loss Kazushi Sakuraba TKO (Punch) PRIDE 30-Fully Loaded 10/23/2005 1 2:27
Loss Rich Franklin
TKO (Strikes) UFC-Ultimate Fighter Finale 4/9/2005 1 2:42
Win Kimo Leopoldo TKO (Knee) UFC 48-Payback 6/19/2004 1 1:26
Loss Don Frye
Decision (Split) PRIDE 19-Bad Blood 2/24/2002 3 5:00
Win Sam Adkins Submission (Kimura) WMMAA 1-MegaFights 8/10/2001 1 1:26
Loss Kazuyuki Fujita TKO (Corner Stoppage) PRIDE 10-Return of the Warriors 8/27/2000 1 6:46
Win Alexander Otsuka TKO (Strikes) PRIDE Grand Prix 2000-Finals 5/1/2000 1 9:43
Win Brian Johnston Submission (Forearm Choke) UU 96-Ultimate Ultimate 1996 12/7/1996 1 5:48
Loss Dan Severn
Decision UFC 9-Motor City Madness 5/17/1996 1 30:00
Win Kimo Leopoldo Submission (Kneebar) UFC 8-David vs. Goliath 2/16/1996 1 4:24
Win Yoshiki Takahashi Decision (Lost Points) Pancrase-Truth 1 1/28/1996 1 20:00
Win Katsuomi Inagaki Submission Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 7 12/14/1995 1 3:19
Draw Oleg Taktarov Draw UFC 7-The Brawl in Buffalo 9/8/1995 1 33:00
Win Larry Papadopoulos Submission (Achilles Lock) Pancrase-1995 Neo-Blood Tournament, Round 1 7/22/1995 1 2:18
Win Dan Severn
Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 1 2:14
Loss Minoru Suzuki Submission (Kneebar) Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 4 5/13/1995 1 2:14
Draw Royce Gracie
Draw UFC 5-The Return of the Beast 4/7/1995 1 36:00
Win Bas Rutten
Submission (Kneebar) Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 2 3/10/1995 1 1:01
Win Leon Dijk Submission Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 1 1/26/1995 1 4:45
Win Manabu Yamada Decision (Unanimous) Pancrase-King Of Pancrase Tournament, Round 2 12/17/1994 1 30:00
Win Masakatsu Funaki Submission Pancrase-King Of Pancrase Tournament, Round 2 12/17/1994 1 5:50
Win Maurice Smith
Submission Pancrase-King of Pancrase Tournament, Round 1 12/16/1994 1 4:23
Win Alex Cook Submission Pancrase-King of Pancrase Tournament, Round 1 12/16/1994 1 1:31
Win Takaku Fuke Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Pancrase-Road To The Championship 5 10/15/1994 1 3:13
Win Felix Mitchell Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:34
Win Christophe Leninger Submission (Strikes) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:49
Loss Masakatsu Funaki Submission Pancrase-Road To The Championship 4 9/1/1994 1 2:30
Win Bas Rutten
Submission Pancrase-Road To The Championship 3 7/26/1994 1 16:42
Win Matt Hume Submission (Armlock) Pancrase-Road To The Championship 2 7/6/1994 1 5:50
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Submission Pancrase-Pancrash! 3 4/21/1994 1 7:30
Loss Minoru Suzuki Submission (Heelhook/Kneebar) Pancrase-Pancrash! 1 1/19/1994 1 7:37
Win Andre Van Den Oetelaar Submission Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 4 12/8/1993 1 1:04
Loss Royce Gracie
Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 0:57
Win Patrick Smith Submission (Heel Hook) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 1:49
Win Takaku Fuke Submission Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 3 11/8/1993 1 0:44
Win Yoshiki Takahashi Submission (Heel Hook) Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 2 10/14/1993 1 12:23
Win Masakatsu Funaki Submission (Choke) Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 1 9/21/1993 1 6:15
Win Forrest Griffin Decision (Split) UFC 59-Reality Check 4/15/2006 3 5:00
Win Vitor Belfort Decision (Split) UFC 51-Super Saturday 2/5/2005 3 5:00
Win Patrick Cote Decision (Unanimous) UFC 50-The War of '04 10/22/2004 3 5:00
Loss Chuck Liddell
KO (Punches) UFC 47-It's On 4/2/2004 2 0:38
Loss Randy Couture
Decision (Unanimous) UFC 44-Undisputed 9/26/2003 5 5:00
Win Vladimir Matyushenko Decision (Unanimous) UFC 33-Victory in Vegas 9/28/2001 5 5:00
Win Elvis Sinosic TKO (Cut) UFC 32-Showdown in the Meadowlands 6/29/2001 1 3:32
Win Evan Tanner KO (Slam) UFC 30-Battle on the Boardwalk 2/23/2001 1 0:32
Win Yuki Kondo Submission (Neck Crank) UFC 29-Defense of the Belts 12/16/2000 1 1:52
Win Wanderlei Silva Decision (Unanimous) UFC 25-Ultimate Japan 3 4/14/2000 5 5:00
Loss Frank Shamrock
Submission (Strikes) UFC 22-There Can Be Only One Champion 9/24/1999 4 4:42
Win Guy Mezger
TKO (Strikes) UFC 19-Ultimate Young Guns 3/5/1999 1 9:56
Win Jerry Bohlander TKO (Strikes) UFC 18-Road to the Heavyweight Title 1/8/1999 1 14:31
Win Jeremy Screeton Submission (Strikes) WCNHBC-West Coast NHB Championships 1 12/8/1998 1 0:16
Loss Guy Mezger
Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 13-The Ultimate Force 5/30/1997 1 3:00
Win Wes Albritton TKO (Strikes) UFC 13-The Ultimate Force 5/30/1997 1 0:31
Now looking at these 2 records... I see Ken winning Waaaaay more impressive fights and his only losses came from guys who are impressive in their own right! Hell he beat Bas Rutten TWICE! Not to mention my friend here pointed out the tournament style and beat DAN SEVERN after
winning 3 fights!
Now lets look at Mr. BADBOY lol :
Beat Guy Metzger (which I give credit for, he did it more than once) LOST to Frank, beat an unseasoned Wandy, Sinosic I'll give him credit for, except it was stopped by a cut. Lost to an aging Randy and then to Chuck. Squeaked out a win against Belfort (which people argued about) and then with TUF winner (and newb) Forrest Griffin!
Did you notice MUCH more of Titos wins came by decisions?
Especially recently! At least Kenny finished his fights one way or another...
Forget it, I dont want to hear anymore about Tito or just about anyone else beating people like Ken Shamrock in their prime.
Give me a prime Shamrock, Gracie and Severn
you can have Ortiz, Lidell and Sylvia
I'll bet my whole fn paqycheque I win every fn time.
Gimme a break, and smarten up lol