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Old 02-04-2007, 05:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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lol, royce gracie was a great fighter in the early days of the ufc, and even though ken lost in there first fight, there second fight was a draw that ken shouldve won by decision. Very ignorant statement.

bro wake up, any 220lber can lay on a soaking wet 175lber for 25 mins........ Shamrocks gameplan in that fight was to win a decision... lol and he failed
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the old ufc was pretty sweet. alot more rough and 1 dimensional but i dont think tito could hadle tournement style liek ken could
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Old 02-04-2007, 06:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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shamrock ever hold any ufc titles??
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Old 02-04-2007, 06:10 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Lol Ken was still pro wrestling when he fought Alexander Otsuka in pride. Look at that fight and tell me he was past his prime.
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Old 02-04-2007, 06:11 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Agreed.. Let me add to this a bit lol

You forgot to mention ref stoppages... How the refs (including Big John) let fights go A LOT further before stopping it.

Anyone remember Kenny vs Dan Severn?

Ken was so bloody you couldnt even see his fn FACE! GUess what>? WON THAT FIGHT TOO

lets look at their records for a sec here, I'll highlight the wins that mean something k? Excepting the fights between the two.

Ken Shamrock

Loss Kazushi Sakuraba TKO (Punch) PRIDE 30-Fully Loaded 10/23/2005 1 2:27
Loss Rich Franklin TKO (Strikes) UFC-Ultimate Fighter Finale 4/9/2005 1 2:42
Win Kimo Leopoldo TKO (Knee) UFC 48-Payback 6/19/2004 1 1:26
Loss Don Frye Decision (Split) PRIDE 19-Bad Blood 2/24/2002 3 5:00
Win Sam Adkins Submission (Kimura) WMMAA 1-MegaFights 8/10/2001 1 1:26
Loss Kazuyuki Fujita TKO (Corner Stoppage) PRIDE 10-Return of the Warriors 8/27/2000 1 6:46
Win Alexander Otsuka TKO (Strikes) PRIDE Grand Prix 2000-Finals 5/1/2000 1 9:43
Win Brian Johnston Submission (Forearm Choke) UU 96-Ultimate Ultimate 1996 12/7/1996 1 5:48
Loss Dan Severn Decision UFC 9-Motor City Madness 5/17/1996 1 30:00
Win Kimo Leopoldo Submission (Kneebar) UFC 8-David vs. Goliath 2/16/1996 1 4:24
Win Yoshiki Takahashi Decision (Lost Points) Pancrase-Truth 1 1/28/1996 1 20:00
Win Katsuomi Inagaki Submission Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 7 12/14/1995 1 3:19
Draw Oleg Taktarov Draw UFC 7-The Brawl in Buffalo 9/8/1995 1 33:00
Win Larry Papadopoulos Submission (Achilles Lock) Pancrase-1995 Neo-Blood Tournament, Round 1 7/22/1995 1 2:18
Win Dan Severn Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 1 2:14
Loss Minoru Suzuki Submission (Kneebar) Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 4 5/13/1995 1 2:14
Draw Royce Gracie Draw UFC 5-The Return of the Beast 4/7/1995 1 36:00
Win Bas Rutten Submission (Kneebar) Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 2 3/10/1995 1 1:01
Win Leon Dijk Submission Pancrase-Eyes Of Beast 1 1/26/1995 1 4:45
Win Manabu Yamada Decision (Unanimous) Pancrase-King Of Pancrase Tournament, Round 2 12/17/1994 1 30:00
Win Masakatsu Funaki Submission Pancrase-King Of Pancrase Tournament, Round 2 12/17/1994 1 5:50
Win Maurice Smith Submission Pancrase-King of Pancrase Tournament, Round 1 12/16/1994 1 4:23
Win Alex Cook Submission Pancrase-King of Pancrase Tournament, Round 1 12/16/1994 1 1:31
Win Takaku Fuke Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Pancrase-Road To The Championship 5 10/15/1994 1 3:13
Win Felix Mitchell Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:34
Win Christophe Leninger Submission (Strikes) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:49
Loss Masakatsu Funaki Submission Pancrase-Road To The Championship 4 9/1/1994 1 2:30
Win Bas Rutten Submission Pancrase-Road To The Championship 3 7/26/1994 1 16:42
Win Matt Hume Submission (Armlock) Pancrase-Road To The Championship 2 7/6/1994 1 5:50
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Submission Pancrase-Pancrash! 3 4/21/1994 1 7:30
Loss Minoru Suzuki Submission (Heelhook/Kneebar) Pancrase-Pancrash! 1 1/19/1994 1 7:37
Win Andre Van Den Oetelaar Submission Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 4 12/8/1993 1 1:04
Loss Royce Gracie Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 0:57
Win Patrick Smith Submission (Heel Hook) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 1:49
Win Takaku Fuke Submission Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 3 11/8/1993 1 0:44
Win Yoshiki Takahashi Submission (Heel Hook) Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 2 10/14/1993 1 12:23
Win Masakatsu Funaki Submission (Choke) Pancrase-Yes, We are Hybrid Wrestlers 1 9/21/1993 1 6:15



Tito :

Win Forrest Griffin Decision (Split) UFC 59-Reality Check 4/15/2006 3 5:00
Win Vitor Belfort Decision (Split) UFC 51-Super Saturday 2/5/2005 3 5:00
Win Patrick Cote Decision (Unanimous) UFC 50-The War of '04 10/22/2004 3 5:00
Loss Chuck Liddell KO (Punches) UFC 47-It's On 4/2/2004 2 0:38
Loss Randy Couture Decision (Unanimous) UFC 44-Undisputed 9/26/2003 5 5:00
Win Vladimir Matyushenko Decision (Unanimous) UFC 33-Victory in Vegas 9/28/2001 5 5:00
Win Elvis Sinosic TKO (Cut) UFC 32-Showdown in the Meadowlands 6/29/2001 1 3:32
Win Evan Tanner KO (Slam) UFC 30-Battle on the Boardwalk 2/23/2001 1 0:32
Win Yuki Kondo Submission (Neck Crank) UFC 29-Defense of the Belts 12/16/2000 1 1:52
Win Wanderlei Silva Decision (Unanimous) UFC 25-Ultimate Japan 3 4/14/2000 5 5:00
Loss Frank Shamrock Submission (Strikes) UFC 22-There Can Be Only One Champion 9/24/1999 4 4:42
Win Guy Mezger TKO (Strikes) UFC 19-Ultimate Young Guns 3/5/1999 1 9:56
Win Jerry Bohlander TKO (Strikes) UFC 18-Road to the Heavyweight Title 1/8/1999 1 14:31
Win Jeremy Screeton Submission (Strikes) WCNHBC-West Coast NHB Championships 1 12/8/1998 1 0:16
Loss Guy Mezger Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 13-The Ultimate Force 5/30/1997 1 3:00
Win Wes Albritton TKO (Strikes) UFC 13-The Ultimate Force 5/30/1997 1 0:31

Now looking at these 2 records... I see Ken winning Waaaaay more impressive fights and his only losses came from guys who are impressive in their own right! Hell he beat Bas Rutten TWICE! Not to mention my friend here pointed out the tournament style and beat DAN SEVERN after winning 3 fights!

Now lets look at Mr. BADBOY lol :

Beat Guy Metzger (which I give credit for, he did it more than once) LOST to Frank, beat an unseasoned Wandy, Sinosic I'll give him credit for, except it was stopped by a cut. Lost to an aging Randy and then to Chuck. Squeaked out a win against Belfort (which people argued about) and then with TUF winner (and newb) Forrest Griffin!

Did you notice MUCH more of Titos wins came by decisions?
Especially recently! At least Kenny finished his fights one way or another...

Forget it, I dont want to hear anymore about Tito or just about anyone else beating people like Ken Shamrock in their prime.

Give me a prime Shamrock, Gracie and Severn
you can have Ortiz, Lidell and Sylvia.

I'll bet my whole fn paqycheque I win every fn time.

Gimme a break, and smarten up lol
This doesn't make sense. Hasn't Hughes vs. Gracie settled this already? How can you expect 1 sided fighters to beat today's elite?
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Old 02-04-2007, 06:40 PM   #26 (permalink)
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shamrock ever hold any ufc titles??
He was the Superfight champion, before losing it to Severn in their second(And awful) fight.

I never got around to seeing the Oleg vs Ken fight. Does anyone know if it's any good?
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Old 02-04-2007, 06:59 PM   #27 (permalink)
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He was the Superfight champion, before losing it to Severn in their second(And awful) fight.

I never got around to seeing the Oleg vs Ken fight. Does anyone know if it's any good?
oleg vs ken from ufc 7 was just released out on dvd not too long ago. its similar to the royce vs ken fight from ufc 5 except not as boring and a little more action. its not really a bad fight tho. ken could have really beaten oleg badly in that fight if he wanted to. i think there should have been a rematch.
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Old 02-04-2007, 11:30 PM   #28 (permalink)
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He left for MONEY, and of course because he sid he was interested in pro-wrestling before MMA.
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Old 02-04-2007, 11:43 PM   #29 (permalink)
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He was the Superfight champion, before losing it to Severn in their second(And awful) fight.

I never got around to seeing the Oleg vs Ken fight. Does anyone know if it's any good?

I really dug that fight man, Judging from your previous posts I'm guessing you will like it too. Typical Oleg fight, takes a lo of punishment. Shammy really beats him up
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Old 02-04-2007, 11:44 PM   #30 (permalink)
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He left for MONEY, and of course because he sid he was interested in pro-wrestling before MMA.


To be fair he actually DID pro wrestling before mma so to sayhe was only saying he was interested in it is wrong
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