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Old 08-31-2009, 10:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If Nog got the better of Couture on the feet, what would Fedor do to him?

Tired subject I know, and very hypothetical but I think Fedor would KO Randy in the first round. Nog was very close to finishing Randy the second time he dropped him, and I think Fedor has more power and is more clinical than Nog.

I don't think Randy's wrestling would be much of a problem for Fedor, and I would expect a very early KO after Fedor explodes into a combination of wild hooks.
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Old 08-31-2009, 11:02 AM   #2 (permalink)
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That kind of assumption is bordering on MMA math. The question is whether Fedors chin = Nogs. I wouldn't say Nog got the better of Randy. They both hit each other plenty but only Randy went down. Rather, Nogs chin was the deciding factor. I'm not sure Fedor has a chin like Nog, so the comparison is pointless. For all we know, the punches that Nog walked through would put Fedor down. All speculation. Different fighters = different fights.
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I see your point, but I wouldn't quite say it's MMA math. I just don't think Randy has the standup to avoid shots from any striker with some speed. Nog was faster last night and looked dangerous throughout, Fedor would be even faster than that and we all know he can land those haymakers.

Nog did get the better of the standup. As you rightly pointed out Randy got dropped a couple of times and Nog didn't, in what way does that not indicate Nog got the better of it? He had the harder punches, landed the more damaging blows and was able to take anything Randy hit him with.
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I see your point, but I wouldn't quite say it's MMA math. I just don't think Randy has the standup to avoid shots from any striker with some speed. Nog was faster last night and looked dangerous throughout, Fedor would be even faster than that and we all know he can land those haymakers.

Nog did get the better of the standup. As you rightly pointed out Randy got dropped a couple of times and Nog didn't, in what way does that not indicate Nog got the better of it? He had the harder punches, landed the more damaging blows and was able to take anything Randy hit him with.
I suppose you are right. Randy dropped and Nog didn't. Power aside, regards technique I thought it was more even.

For the record, I don't think Randy can beat Fedor.
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I think you're probably right. Randy's new confidence in his stand up, seems to have made him forget what it is he's really good at (clinching against the cage, dirty boxing and wearing his opponent out). He didn't play to his strengths enough against Nog. IMO he needed to put him against the cage and keep him there for as long and as often as possible, but instead he tried to box with him. If he took the same approach with Fedor, he wouldn't make it out of the first round.
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I suppose you are right. Randy dropped and Nog didn't. Power aside, regards technique I thought it was more even.

For the record, I don't think Randy can beat Fedor.
That's cool, and for the record I wasn't trying to say 'Fedor beat Nog, Nog beat Randy = Fedor > Randy'.

But I think Randy would have a hard time getting Fedor down and might not like what happens down there, and if the fight happened even for half the time on the feet I'd be expecting a KO at any point. Randy's head movement is useful against the bigger, slower fighters but fast hands are a problem for him and Fedor has speed that no head movement can avoid.
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I think you're probably right. Randy's new confidence in his stand up, seems to have made him forget what it is he's really good at (clinching against the cage, dirty boxing and wearing his opponent out). He didn't play to his strengths enough against Nog. IMO he needed to put him against the cage and keep him there for as long and as often as possible, but instead he tried to box with him. If he took the same approach with Fedor, he wouldn't make it out of the first round.
I don't mean to make Randy sound like some Zen Buddhist, but I'm not sure he does it for the win any more. Rather, the challenge.

Maybe it's simply a case of Randy wanting to have more fun? He's not stupid. He knows he would have stood a better chance playing to his own strengths, but maybe at 45 he feels bored with fighting his style and wants to challenge other fighters using other disciplines and techniques. The old Randy would have tried to nullify Nogs boxing and wear him down. This version wants to box with Nog cause it's so much more fun.

All the above is from my perspective and completely speculative... to be clear.
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That kind of assumption is bordering on MMA math. The question is whether Fedors chin = Nogs. I wouldn't say Nog got the better of Randy. They both hit each other plenty but only Randy went down. Rather, Nogs chin was the deciding factor. I'm not sure Fedor has a chin like Nog, so the comparison is pointless. For all we know, the punches that Nog walked through would put Fedor down. All speculation. Different fighters = different fights.
I second this. Both men put on a tremendous display of boxing, and I'd be hard-pressed to say that one was 'outdone' in respect to landed shots. Couture found Big Nog's chin just as many times as Big Nog found Couture's. The difference, as was stated, is that Randy went down, and Nog did not. This shouldn't at all imply that Randy is thus an over-rated boxer, or unable to compete. It's simply a testament to Nog's chin, which has to be the stuff of legend again following this past Saturday.
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Old 08-31-2009, 01:11 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I said before I think age is startting to catch up to randy. He although still a top 5 imo is nowhere near as fast as he was in he GG fight and his Big tim fight. Fedor may be able to take him now but he would not have been able to take the randy that fought GG.

I see your point but as it has already been said nog has an Iron chin and randy could have done more damge to fedor than he could nog so its impossible to tell.
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Avoiding MMA math but still using some solid logic...

Randy gets tagged a lot in the stand-up since his win over Tim. He also seems to get flash-KO'd when it happens.

For as good as Randy feels I think we are definitely seeing him suffer from his reaction speed fading. When fighters who anticipate (counter-fighters) start to lose their reaction speed you see a series of humilating losses before they retire. Randy has not had a humiliating loss in his career (in my opinion) but he could definitely be headed down that path.
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