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Old 09-08-2009, 05:55 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Its pretty simple Fedor can make a lot more money co-promoting then he can simply fighting for the UFC. He is a smart buisness man. I dont see the problem with that.
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Old 09-08-2009, 05:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Cro Cop - "Fedor completely wrecked my shit when we fought, he kicked my ass, he's better than I am, he proved it. He will also eventually fight Overeem, the man who beat the shit out of me. This must be a good time for me to say he is avoiding tough competition while I sit and explain to everyone how I'm manning up and fighting guys who have the UFC brand slapped across their face".

That's what I got from the article, anyways.

Honestly, people trying to bring down Fedor's reputation based on the fact that he's not fighting with the UFC brand slapped across his face, lose almost all respect from me instantly.
If you want to get caught up in the brand recognition, that's your business. But it would be a far cry to try a convince anyone that the UFC doesn't have the strongest HW division.

I bet you were also one of those kids that only liked "underground music" and labeled anyone with a big record deal a sell out, while claiming you use to like them when they were still good.

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Old 09-08-2009, 06:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If you want to get caught up in the brand recognition, that's your business. But it would be a far cry to try a convince anyone that the UFC doesn't have the strongest HW division.

I bet you were also one of those kids that only liked "underground music" and labeled anyone with a big record deal a sell out, while claiming you use to like them when they were still good.
The UFC's biggest star right now has a 4-1 record, with his most famous win over Randy. The other guys are Nog(who Fedor destroyed twice), Herring(Fedor destroyed), Cro Cop(Fedor destroyed), Mir(decent fight), Carwin(Rogers is just as impressive, if not MORE impressive), Cain(give me a break), Kongo(give me another break), and.... Gonzaga?

Fedor should be pissing in his pants right about now, yeah?

The level of competition between the likes of Overeem, Rogers, Monson, against Mir, Brock, Carwin, is not so far and wide that it's a big deal, especially considering Fedor has destroyed a few of the UFC's top heavyweights already.
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Ummm....why isn't this a hack at Fedor?
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I don't know the situation.
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Definitely the UFC offered him the best possible deal, to pay him much more than Dream can offer or Strikeforce can offer
Umm that sounds like speculation.

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I think he should take the challenge but why, i don't know. I don't think he's afraid...
So you don't think he's afraid?

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...but I think he wants to keep his perfect record, maybe he thinks the UFC is too tough. I think he should come. Why he's not there, I don't know.
Oddly enough....oh wait, I see what you did there!

CC is a crafty one! I still love him though hopefully this was just a language barrier thing so he couldn't really say what he meant.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:11 PM   #15 (permalink)
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The UFC's biggest star right now has a 4-1 record, with his most famous win over Randy. The other guys are Nog(who Fedor destroyed twice), Herring(Fedor destroyed), Cro Cop(Fedor destroyed), Mir(decent fight), Carwin(Rogers is just as impressive, if not MORE impressive), Cain(give me a break), Kongo(give me another break), and.... Gonzaga?

Fedor should be pissing in his pants right about now, yeah?

The level of competition between the likes of Overeem, Rogers, Monson, against Mir, Brock, Carwin, is not so far and wide that it's a big deal, especially considering Fedor has destroyed a few of the UFC's top heavyweights already.
Why is Rogers just as impressive as Carwin?
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Why is Rogers just as impressive as Carwin?
They both have roughly the same level of competition on their resume, with 1 big name on their record. Here's the difference:

Rogers big win is more impressive. Going into that fight, Arlovski was still top 10 and in some cases still top 5, as his ranking didn't go down much as he was doing well against Fedor. Carwin's big win was him losing the fight to Gonzaga, being taken down, getting rocked, then putting Gonzaga away with 1 solid punch.

Rogers is more impressive in my eyes right now than Carwin is.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:18 PM   #17 (permalink)
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They both have roughly the same level of competition on their resume, with 1 big name on their record. Here's the difference:

Rogers big win is more impressive. Going into that fight, Arlovski was still top 10 and in some cases still top 5, as his ranking didn't go down much as he was doing well against Fedor. Carwin's big win was him losing the fight to Gonzaga, being taken down, getting rocked, then putting Gonzaga away with 1 solid punch.

Rogers is more impressive in my eyes right now than Carwin is.
Understandable. Arlovski is a pretty easy match up for Rogers though, whereas Carwin showed a lot more well-rounded skills in his fight... he showed a good chin, was able to get up from the bottom while Gonzaga was on top of him, and showed power. Rogers has shown us one thing... power, and that's it.
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Understandable. Arlovski is a pretty easy match up for Rogers though, whereas Carwin showed a lot more well-rounded skills in his fight... he showed a good chin, was able to get up from the bottom while Gonzaga was on top of him, and showed power. Rogers has shown us one thing... power, and that's it.
Arlovski is one of the top striker at HW(even now), and Rogers striked with him. I don't see how that was an easy fight for Rogers?

Carwin got rocked in that fight, that doesn't show a "good chin", it shows he can get rocked and come back, which is good. He got taken down(he has a solid wrestling background), as well as was losing that fight in general up until he showed his power, which we all knew he had.

It showed he can stand up after being taken down by a guy who isn't known for his wrestling, and that when he is getting rocked and losing the striking battle, he can come back and lay 1 shot down and knock you out.

I don't see how that is more impressive than completely destroying Arlovski, a man who has some of the best striking at HW.
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Arlovski is one of the top striker at HW(even now), and Rogers striked with him. I don't see how that was an easy fight for Rogers?
Because Arlovski has a weak ass chin, and the only chance Rogers has at winning any fight he is in is by KO'in his opponent, lucky for him, Arlovski is relatively easy to KO.


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Carwin got rocked in that fight, that doesn't show a "good chin", it shows he can get rocked and come back, which is good. He got taken down(he has a solid wrestling background), as well as was losing that fight in general up until he showed his power, which we all knew he had.

It showed he can stand up after being taken down by a guy who isn't known for his wrestling, and that when he is getting rocked and losing the striking battle, he can come back and lay 1 shot down and knock you out.
Well standing up from a Bjj black belt being on top of you is very impressive... if you think a good top game is directly related to wrestling then your grappling knowledge is obviously not very fine tuned. Why does Bj Penn have such a strong top game, even though he isn't known for his wrestling? Oh ya, that's right, Bjj.

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I don't see how that is more impressive than completely destroying Arlovski, a man who has some of the best striking at HW.
He "completely destroyed" Arlovski by sloppily knocking him out in the first? I can't believe people are actually on Rogers' nuts, and think he is a good fighter, what a joke.

It's pretty obvious you are just trying to justify Fedor's next opponent though, so I guess I can see why.
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