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Old 09-08-2009, 06:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Arlovski is one of the more skilled strikers but he's always had the weak chin issue and for whatever reason he moved straight backward after the exchange and paid for it.

That said Rogers has some talent.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:41 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Because Arlovski has a weak ass chin, and the only chance Rogers has at winning any fight he is in is by KO'in his opponent, lucky for him, Arlovski is relatively easy to KO.
Why is his only chance at winning a fight is by KO'ing someone? Why would you say this? Has Rogers been owned on the ground multiple times and I'm just not aware of it? For all we know, Rogers has a sick ass ground game. As it is, he knocked out Arlovski, a top 10 or even top 5 at the time, who has some of the best striking in the HW division.


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Well standing up from a Bjj black belt being on top of you is very impressive... if you think a good top game is directly related to wrestling then your grappling knowledge is obviously not very fine tuned. Why does Bj Penn have such a strong top game, even though he isn't known for his wrestling? Oh ya, that's right, Bjj.
My point is that Carwin has a background in wrestling, his ability to be taken down by Gonzaga(who isn't known for his takedowns) is not impressive. Standing back up is all well and good, but again, he's a wrestler, he should be able to get back up when someone takes him down. He did well standing back up, I never took anything away from him there.

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He "completely destroyed" Arlovski by sloppily knocking him out in the first? I can't believe people are actually on Rogers' nuts, and think he is a good fighter, what a joke.
Yes, knocking out one of the best strikers at HW and a top 10 or top 5 guy in the first without much trouble, means he didn't "destroy" him. It was definielty a hard fought victory for Rogers...

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It's pretty obvious you are just trying to justify Fedor's next opponent though, so I guess I can see why.
I'm not trying to justify anything, Rogers is more impressive than Carwin at this point.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:46 PM   #23 (permalink)
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At this point I'm wondering if it's written in everybody's UFC contract that you have to criticize Fedor for not being in the UFC.
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this thread is ludicrous (par for the topic of Fedor) and i'm seeing all sorts of otherwise amicable and thoughtful posters going sideways, hah. A few funny notes...

- The entire premises of this thread is that CroCop giving his opinion as respectfully as he could translates into Dana White's hand up his ass, elbow deep without mercy... awesome.

- MMA math is being used to demonstrate that Fedor has no challenges in the UFC... well sirs, MMA math is fu*ktarded. Otherwise by your own equations... Brock Lesnar > Randy Couture > Tim Sylvia > Arlovski (and Mir)... so Brock has beat more of these ex-UFC champs than Fedor? Brock must be as good as, or better than, fedor!? hah.

- arlovski is arguably the best HW striker in MMA? haha... comedy. sure, there was a time that this was widely accepted... but that issue has been put to rest quite thoroughly.

I doubt Fedor would be as dismissive of his competition in north america as some of his fans are but what can you do. To those who might be offended by the label zealots and/or militants: step back from the hateoraid long enough to see that the simple fact of the matter is that Fedor doesn't care about the competition to be had in the UFC. he's not hiding, he just doesn't care. or, more specifically... he cares more about promoting MMA in russia than solidifying his legacy abroad.

He's alright with that... so why make excuses for it ad nauseam?

*because a person can't comment on a fedor issue without being called a nuthugger of some variety i will stipulate i've been a Fedor fan longer than most here, probably. since watching him beat Semmy in pride for the first time, live on BEV. And while i was disappointed that he shafted fans by refusing to capture the UFC strap i also recognize his priorities are different than those of the majority of savvy MMA fans. Nothing worth spazing and carrying on over...

but anyways, i end this post with an acknowledgement that it is likely to be flanked by divergent opinions of fanboyisms, lost forever to the depths of an ocean of e-tarded poop flinging in 3, 2, 1...
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Why is his only chance at winning a fight is by KO'ing someone? Why would you say this? Has Rogers been owned on the ground multiple times and I'm just not aware of it? For all we know, Rogers has a sick ass ground game. As it is, he knocked out Arlovski, a top 10 or even top 5 at the time, who has some of the best striking in the HW division.
Ya ya, Rogers might have an awesome ground game that no one has yet to see, but that's highly unlikely. The guy's 10-0 with 9 T/KO's, 1 submission(from punches), and only 1 of his fights has lasted more than 1 round. How is that not a KO artist?

Maybe I'm jumping the gun in assuming that he is not as one dimensional as I'm proposing, but we'll see. Still, though, nothing about Rogers, other than his power, impresses me.
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Cro Cop is just speaking the truth. Fedor should come to the UFC which is the elite leauge..

The best fighters in the world fight in the UFC so what it Fedor doing in Strikeforce?

He's losing his glow..
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Crocop is telling and you can he was stressing nothing negative to Fedor. Why Fedor?
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crocop the guy whon ran from k-1 because he couldnt cut it , then ran to pride and couldnt cut it and now he's finishing his career in the UFC and a mediocre fighter
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Old 09-08-2009, 07:58 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Ya ya, Rogers might have an awesome ground game that no one has yet to see, but that's highly unlikely. The guy's 10-0 with 9 T/KO's, 1 submission(from punches), and only 1 of his fights has lasted more than 1 round. How is that not a KO artist?

Maybe I'm jumping the gun in assuming that he is not as one dimensional as I'm proposing, but we'll see. Still, though, nothing about Rogers, other than his power, impresses me.
Well, you never know how an aspect of a fighter's game is until it is tested. The fact is, as you said yourself, he's a KO "artist". He's got heavy hands and lots of knockouts, one of which is over one of the top HW strikers in Arlovski. His chin isn't that good, everyone knows that, but he was still top 10 and some might say top 5 when Rogers beat him and he does, in fact, have some of the best striking at HW.

As far as you thinking Rogers is one dimensional, that's all based on opinion. Personally, I'd rather just see Rogers for what he has shown us thus far, which is a good fighter who finishes almost all his fights in the first round and has a huge win over Arlovski. His ground game will be tested in time, and until that happens, I don't see a reason to think he has no ground game.
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