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post #21 of 49 (permalink) Old 09-10-2009, 06:56 PM
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The big difference in Nog not being able to sub Randy and possibly subbing Brock is that randy has been doing this for years and your not going to throw a technique at him that he hasnt seen or drilled a thousand plus times. Not only is randy a great fighter, he is one of the best coaches in the game. Look at all the great fighters who have gone to extreme couture to train with this dude. Randy is lightyears ahead of brock when it comes to the submission game. Not a knock on Brock, its just that its impossible for him to have attained even half of the knowledge about mma that Randy has at this point. That is one of those things that can only come with time and many years of training.
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post #22 of 49 (permalink) Old 09-10-2009, 06:59 PM
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I didnt say anything about severn, i was basically saying that randy's sub defense is much more developed then brocks. Severn was never any kind of skilled mixed martial artist.
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I rather see Nog fighting non title fights against fighters close to his size than get himself punished against Brock. Mir is stronger and more athletic than Nog is and got completely shut down by Brock's strenght and wrestling skills.

Randy got bit cocky and pretty much jumped into Nog's guard which led to Nog sweeping him.
Brock had similiar opportunity with Mir but chose to let him stand up instead and took him down right after ending up in side control instead of guard. I got no reason to believe he wouldn't do same with Nog, and Nog wont have any more space to work on a sweep/sub than Mir did, which leads to a similiar finish we already saw in Mir vs. Lesnar II.

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Originally Posted by marcthegame View Post
they say fedor boxing is sloppy to but it works for him. I think nog striking is actually better than lesnar.
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yea but Fedor at least has some head movement. Nog on the other hand just sticks his chin out, crosses his finger and hopes he doesn't get KO'd...
Fedor is also a lot quicker and more powerful than Nog. Also I wouldn't call Fedor sloppy, he just throws punches from weird angles.
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post #25 of 49 (permalink) Old 09-10-2009, 07:37 PM
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The thing is, Brock has excellent top control(In a very technical sense), and he doesn't need much space to do effective ground and pound. Whereas all the other GnP experts (Randy, Fedor...) have to posture up.

So I think the best strategy for Nog would be to strike with Lesnar, because he is clearly the better striker and, if it comes to the ground, avoid being on the bottom at all costs.

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I love Nog and clearly he's way more skilled than Brock when it comes to MMA but I don't think it would matter much in this fight. The only place Brock would be in real trouble is if he's on his back and I don't think Nog can get him in that position. I don't think Nog has enough power in his hands to seriously hurt Brock standing and it would be tough for him to avoid being taken down in a 5 round fight. That being said I could see Nog grabbing a guillotine when Brock attempts to take him down. Barring that I don't think he'd be able to sub Brock from the bottom. Especially if he just grabs a hold of one of Nog's wrists like he did to Mir. Nog is definatley not strong enough to get out of something like that and then we'd find out for sure the limits of Nogs ability to take punishment, at least until the fight was stopped.


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would make for a nice matchup but still gotta go with the beast lesnar. I cant seeing nog holding him down.

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Nogueira's submission skills are clearly superior. The problem for Minotauro is that Brock's takedowns are unstoppable. And Brock's control from the top is superior.

Could Nogueira sweep Lesnar? Perhaps. Could Nogueira lock in a submission on Brock's thick neck? Perhaps. But I think it's unlikely.

I see this fight developing in exactly the same way as Muir 2: Brock on top, pounding away.

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nog is great but lesnar is simply too big. lesnar by tko.
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post #30 of 49 (permalink) Old 09-10-2009, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nefilim777 View Post
Question is; can Nog sink in a triangle on Brock's goliath arm and neck??
We're still trying to confirm that Lesnar has a neck.

I'm afraid this will be a terrible beating for Nog. I love Nog and I don't want to see him tooled as Mir did.

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