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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 09-17-2009, 02:47 PM
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It's a fairly long (but good) article so I wont throw it all up but this pretty much sums up Gray as a fighter and the position he is in.

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Although overall I was impressed with Gray's performance, I must say I was a little shocked. I don't know if I overrated Maynards hands but they seemed EXTREMLEY one dimensional; however still affective. I mean, was he accurate? Absolutely. Was he quick? Defininately. But I mean, He litereally utilized his right hand, to the head and body, and the occasional left hand.

What I'm saying is, all in all, Gray Maynard exectues what he knows almost flawlessly but it seems as though he doesn't know that much.

He needs to work on lateral movement, 3 (at least) punch combos, and LEG KICKS. He doesn't have to be the next Van Damme or anything but at least be able to kick enough to give him a little more length to his shortish frame.

His take down defense is phenomenal, literally couldn't be better, his take downs are excellent (best at LW bar none), and even his top game is decent BJJ-wise: just a little inexperienced.

I mean, he has potential to be the best light weight in the world considering he is the best wrestler at 155 lbs in the UFC, but at the same time if he doesn't expand his game, he will not stay undefeated; even with the good performance last neight, he looked very beatable.

By good I don't necessarily mean entertainment wise (although I was pretty entertained [to an extent] i like Gray) but he fought well against a top tier guy.
I dunno if he has potential to be the best, the dudes already 30 and is still fairly new to the sport. I do agree about his lack of combos though, the dudes definately got skills, he just needs to mix things up more.
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Maynard wouldn't stand a chance against BJ with that performance..

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Maynard looked decent at best. BJ and Diego would mangle him. I still think a focused Huerta would beat him. Maynard looked really withdrawn when Huerta was pushing the pace on him.
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I mean, he has potential to be the best light weight in the world

Why do people exaggerate so much. Every second thread there is the next potential champion or someone who can beat brock.

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Maybe a little exaggerated, i'll admit, but if Maynard really worked his stand-up and improved his top game he would have no trouble controlling Florian on the ground, avoiding subs and personally, I think he could be Sanchez tomorrow (2 out of every 5 figths) based on his last few fights.

So can he beat Penn? I don't think, but if he improved his overall game a bit he could easily face sherk, Sanchez, or Florian and be victorious just by virtue of his wrestling and stand-up (if it got better).

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This as well. Fighters like him, Stevenson, Griffin, Edgar, Sherk, etc are killing the LW division.
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Although overall I was impressed with Gray's performance, I must say I was a little shocked. I don't know if I overrated Maynards hands but they seemed EXTREMLEY one dimensional; however still affective. I mean, was he accurate? Absolutely. Was he quick? Defininately. But I mean, He litereally utilized his right hand, to the head and body, and the occasional left hand.

What I'm saying is, all in all, Gray Maynard exectues what he knows almost flawlessly but it seems as though he doesn't know that much.

He needs to work on lateral movement, 3 (at least) punch combos, and LEG KICKS. He doesn't have to be the next Van Damme or anything but at least be able to kick enough to give him a little more length to his shortish frame.

His take down defense is phenomenal, literally couldn't be better, his take downs are excellent (best at LW bar none), and even his top game is decent BJJ-wise: just a little inexperienced.

I mean, he has potential to be the best light weight in the world considering he is the best wrestler at 155 lbs in the UFC, but at the same time if he doesn't expand his game, he will not stay undefeated; even with the good performance last neight, he looked very beatable.

By good I don't necessarily mean entertainment wise (although I was pretty entertained [to an extent] i like Gray) but he fought well against a top tier guy.
You must be joking right/ guida's takedowns are FAR more effective. Maynard had a tough tough time taking Huerta down and couldnt do so at all till later in the fight. Guida pretty muc took huerta down at will and this was when huerta was training regularly. Maynard has solid TD's for sure but to say they are the best is just wrong.

Guida is a beast with his TD's and in my eyes more effective and on top of that they have been more effective against guys with better TDD pedigrees. Guida took Huerta down when he wanted, he took Die down almost at will. Mac Danzig has a pretty good sprawl but Guida rolled through him and he even had his way with Tyson Griffin even though he lost the decision.

Hell honestly I think an even ebtter argument is Sean Sherk's TD's. he may not use them anymore for god knows what reason but when the dude wants to take you down he almost ALWAYS does exactly that and once again has faced higher calibur opponents

I cannot stand the guy ontop of everything he sucks the life out of what should be amazing fights. Dude is good and all but damn he can make shiz boring as hell. Ontop of that he has got to be the most unidentifiable fighter in the UFC what with his ZERO personality and bland boring look lol.

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I actually thought he lost that fight so I certainly wasn't impressed. Gray winning wasn't shocking to me, it was close but I would have given it to Huerta 29-28 frankly. Huerta looked better than I expected.

As already mentioned, if you are wrestler and you aren't even trying for takedowns most of the fight you probably need to alter your gameplan a little.
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You must be joking right/ guida's takedowns are FAR more effective. Maynard had a tough tough time taking Huerta down and couldnt do so at all till later in the fight. Guida pretty muc took huerta down at will and this was when huerta was training regularly. Maynard has solid TD's for sure but to say they are the best is just wrong.

Guida is a beast with his TD's and in my eyes more effective and on top of that they have been more effective against guys with better TDD pedigrees. Guida took Huerta down when he wanted, he took Die down almost at will. Mac Danzig has a pretty good sprawl but Guida rolled through him and he even had his way with Tyson Griffin even though he lost the decision.

Hell honestly I think an even ebtter argument is Sean Sherk's TD's. he may not use them anymore for god knows what reason but when the dude wants to take you down he almost ALWAYS does exactly that and once again has faced higher calibur opponents

I cannot stand the guy ontop of everything he sucks the life out of what should be amazing fights. Dude is good and all but damn he can make shiz boring as hell. Ontop of that he has got to be the most unidentifiable fighter in the UFC what with his ZERO personality and bland boring look lol.

Sorry i know im hating but i cant help it lol.
It's all good. Maynard had trouble taking Heurta down in the second because he only went for 1 td attempt -- and it was telegraphed. He tuned him in the third round with takedowns. I think Guida is a little more explosive than Maynard is, and also has a much quicker double, but Maynards wrestling is much more technically sound than Guida's is and I'm willing to bet Maynard is stronger than Clay; Maynard has the highest takedown percentage, aside from GSP maybe, in the UFC. His Edgar fight, his Miller fight, his Clementi fight, and the third round of his fight with Heurta really showcases his wrestling ability.

I admit I could be overrating Gray as a fighter but his wrestling speaks for itself. I'm a wrestler, I've saw every one of Grays fights there is to see and more Guida fights than you can shake a stick at (in and out of the UFC), both are phenominal at takedowns, but Gray is the better wrestler although he may have looked worse (wrestling wise) than Guida soley in the second.

The only reasons Clay had more success with taking Heurta down is because of his speed, experience, and the fact that his entire gameplan was based on taking Roger to the mat.

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