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Old 09-22-2009, 01:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Jones vs. Bonnar is the perfect example. He uses that nice spinning elbow to hit Bonnar, but it ended up hitting him in the back of the head. It wasn't illegal as it was in motion, you cannot tell where that hit was going to go, it's impossible to know.
It was technically illegal, but it wasn't intentional and they were not in a position where it was likely to happen again. I think those are the defining factors; intent and likelihood of recurrence. As I said earlier, what I don't understand is the recent trend to overlook it in a final flurry that leads to a TKO.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:29 PM   #22 (permalink)
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VERY tough to referee. Possibly the toughest. Especially when guys are trying to finish. It can be a wild flurry and frankly, hard to see until you have the luxury of slow-mo replay which the refs never have. Generally, I think UFC refs do a great job.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I thought maybe the new instant replay rule might come into effect in the Belfort Franklin fight. Like Franklin might have been out before he hit the ground but Belfort landed 2-3 strikes right in the back of his head before the round was over which was definetly illegal and could have been avoided.
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Old 09-22-2009, 02:46 PM   #24 (permalink)
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They should stop the fight for illegal blows more often you shouldn't let someone take advantage of cheating to finish a fight just because they only cheated once or twice. I see fights all the time where in GNP guys are reigning down illegal blows in a wild flurry and the fight gets awarded to them when it clearly impacted the finish.
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Old 09-23-2009, 09:47 PM   #25 (permalink)
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The back of the head is just that strip that extands from the spine... it's really not that big an area.

Unless you have the Ham Hands of Lesnar...
Actually this is no longer the case. The association of boxing commissions clarified the back of the head as strip you refer to with a band that extends the width of the base of the skull to both ears.
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Old 09-24-2009, 12:30 AM   #26 (permalink)
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It is interesting...I've seen the back of the head dela quite a bit lately.
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I don't agree with it as a rule.
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I'm pretty sure I most recently heard that if a glove is touching the ear, it's a legal punch.


essentially the "back of the head" consists of Chuck's Mohawk from the base up to the top of his head.
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Old 09-24-2009, 02:23 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Eh... it's more manly to let them just hit you in the face? It's a natural response to tuck your head in like that, the fact that it's illegal is just a bonus.
Who said anything about manlyness? It's might be a natural response to tuck your head, but it's also a natural response to hit an opponent anywhere that would finish him. Now one is illegal and one is not, which is fine as it should be. But my beef about it is that it looks like it's being used as a defensive tactic, or loop hole to exploit. To me it's not real fighting because in a street fight you would not willingly give the back of your head to someone. I know I know this is a sport and not a street fight, but I still feel like it's taking advantage of a rule in place that's suppost to protect a fighter, not allow him another defensive option.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:00 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure I most recently heard that if a glove is touching the ear, it's a legal punch.


essentially the "back of the head" consists of Chuck's Mohawk from the base up to the top of his head.
That used to be the model. Now it would be a mohawk with a triagle wedge that goes from ear to ear in the back and comes down to cover the entire base of the skull. You can see it here http://mmajunkie.com/files/NewOrlean...ulesReport.pdf on page 10.
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