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Old 12-14-2006, 03:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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LOL I am wondering if I watched the same fight as you...

Joslin was NOT completely dominated, he defended on the ground extremely well and almost got a triangle until the bell rang. Kos deserved the win but it was a NARROW victory imo.


I was personally very impressed with Joslins skills. He is a great striker and a BJJ black belt. That spinning backfist was so fast too, it was cool to see.
How can you say he didn't dominate the fight. Joslin literally hit him less than like 5 times while they stood. The rest of the time Kos had him on his back and took him down whenever he wanted. Joslin showed he had the better stand up by far but they were hardly ever standing up. they started that way once Kos found out he would get knocked out standing he took him down. Herb stood them up and Kos immediately took him back down. Kos probably took Joslin down more than Joslin landed punches. Joslin did a great job keeping Kos from pounding him out but never damaged Kos. And never had him truly threatened by a sub. Joslin looked good but Kos was a superior athelete and imposed his will on Joslin. Joslin is a better overall skilled fighter than Kos but Kos is so much better of an athelete and a dominate wrestler that Joslins overall game wasn't enough.
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Old 12-14-2006, 03:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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How can you say he didn't dominate the fight. Joslin literally hit him less than like 5 times while they stood. The rest of the time Kos had him on his back and took him down whenever he wanted. Joslin showed he had the better stand up by far but they were hardly ever standing up. they started that way once Kos found out he would get knocked out standing he took him down. Herb stood them up and Kos immediately took him back down. Kos probably took Joslin down more than Joslin landed punches. Joslin did a great job keeping Kos from pounding him out but never damaged Kos. And never had him truly threatened by a sub. Joslin looked good but Kos was a superior athelete and imposed his will on Joslin. Joslin is a better overall skilled fighter than Kos but Kos is so much better of an athelete and a dominate wrestler that Joslins overall game wasn't enough.

I have to Agree with you TYKIDD on this one. Kos knows/knew what it would take to win. The judges in the UFC score on a matter of brute force in a lot of matchups. Not technique. The person that takes the center of the Octagon and pushes the other person around (barring any good routing and defensive jabs so that the pusher doesn't get the takedowns right away) will win the fight/round. If it was a BJJ match Joslin would probably have won due to defensive ground control. No matter if you like it or not. takedown and slams are worth a lot. In some cases the judges aren't even that schooled in MMA...some of them are from boxing commissions. The judges also have to score on what does happen...not what would have happened. Joslin was great. With more time he may have gotten the triangle but the judges aren't going to score him for trying. Same with the rolls/flips he was trying. They will not score them unless he actually pulls it off.


What makes me mad...is those other fights where it's split decision and it goes to the person that did that spent most of their time laying on the opponent while the person on their back is doing what Joslin was doing. But Joslin never had a moment were he was in complete control.
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Yeah there's no question as to who won the fight. The only reason Kos stood with him as long as he did is b/c he's trying to prove everyone he's not one dimensional, you can tell it bothers him a lot. And Kos wasn't layin n' gayin at all he just couldn't move Joslin has some ridiculous ground defense and two anvils for hands, it's just too nerve racking throwing a flurry when you know Kos can get rocked one too many times at one time and will blast you down through instinct. It was like Joslin was playing chess during the stand up.

But anyways Joslin just earned another fan here, he's clearly no can and I was thinking the same thing Rated it wouldn't be so bad if he dropped to 155 lets stack that division with as much talent as we can. Good Post thread starter repped.
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Old 12-14-2006, 03:28 PM   #24 (permalink)
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having trained at joslin's gym for a few summers now i can tell he he won't drop to 155. he's naturally bigger then 170 as it is.
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How can you say he didn't dominate the fight. Joslin literally hit him less than like 5 times while they stood. The rest of the time Kos had him on his back and took him down whenever he wanted. Joslin showed he had the better stand up by far but they were hardly ever standing up. they started that way once Kos found out he would get knocked out standing he took him down. Herb stood them up and Kos immediately took him back down. Kos probably took Joslin down more than Joslin landed punches. Joslin did a great job keeping Kos from pounding him out but never damaged Kos. And never had him truly threatened by a sub. Joslin looked good but Kos was a superior athelete and imposed his will on Joslin. Joslin is a better overall skilled fighter than Kos but Kos is so much better of an athelete and a dominate wrestler that Joslins overall game wasn't enough.
I agree with this post but in my mind domination means you go in and destroy your opponent. Beat the piss out of them and outclass them in every aspect of the fight. This did not happen. GSP over Hughes was domination but not this fight
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He didnt lock it in first of all. It would not have been tight enough to do a thing.

wtf are you talking about,even rogan said it was locked in.
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wtf are you talking about,even rogan said it was locked in.
I really like Rogan. But he is contantly wrong when talking about people having a submission in. It goes like this "Oh he has the kimura locked in, oh wait no. It seemed like it from this angle." I hear that like once a fight from him you can replace the kimura with whatever submission you like.
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you gotta admit tho, it was pretty sweet when rogan said shonie was setting up for the spinning backfist and the he spun one out like 2 seconds later.
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tykidd just accept it, joslin had a triangle locked in.

and its not just because rogan said it its because he said it also. at first he was working for it but then he locked it in, right at the end of the round then the bell rang
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Kos is a one demensional fighter. He's going no where. He wrestles pretty good but he's not an active enough GNP'der and he can't strike very well. He's no different than Tito, I hope hughes, caro, diego, penn, St. Pierre, or nick diaz hands him his ass. He's going no where, count on it.
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