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post #11 of 174 (permalink) Old 09-24-2009, 04:27 AM
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"Im not a religious dude, but im not completely narrow minded and atheist either. Sorry, i find "devout" atheists to be about as obnoxious as jehovah's witnesses. I dont care who is praying to what god in any circumstances and i dont see why anyone gets worked up about someones prayers or lack of prayers. For some reason I dont see the audience of the UFC getting all worked up if someone went all muslim and started throwing shout outs to allah after a fight, i dont know why, for some reason i just dont think it would be a big deal."

Are you trolling? You're not narrow-minded, but find all atheists and jehovas witnesses obnoxious. Oh ok. Yeah that makes sense.
Figuratively speaking, if you're an atheist you're devout to it, in the sense you refuse all other beliefs.

You've also just showed how you failed to read, no one is getting "worked up" just expressing opinions. And people do get offended at beliefs or lack of, so I suggest you take your ignorance else where.

Wow can you at least argue properly? "If some one went all muslim" lol... seriously?

*Edit* Thanks Bio +rep. That's really interesting, definitely going to read in to that more when I get home.

Your post was exactly what I was trying to keep out of my topic, I don't mind you expressing your opinion. But do it with a little class please.

Kind of missed the point of my post there, didnt ya? I wasnt in anyway worked up. The atheist/jehovahs witness remark was me stating how i find both ends of the religious spectrum to be very narrow minded. Saying "going all muslim" does sound stupid, but im very high and that is what came out. Sorry that your getting all but hurt because i dont share the same opinion as you.
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Normally when fighters thank god they are thanking god for their ability or fact that they were healthy and able to fight at the best of their ability and for the fact that no one was seriously injured, not for the win, the same reason people thank god that no one was injured in a serious accident or for the fact that they performed well.

The fact that you get annoyed by this just shows that you don't truly understand the christian religion and the reason they are thanking god. I can understand this but you are wrong. I guarantee you if you asked marquetd he would agree with me and i know this because I am a fellow Christian. If you are not Christian and/or you know nothing about the religion its easy to come to assumptions.

Secondly, this map you posted is retarded. According to it, Africa is the most religious? America was founded on Christian philosophy. I could make a map just like that citing which countries like hamburgers and claim it was America even though i have no factual basis on that. Atheists like yourselves are just trying to prove the lack thereof of god anyway you can. Cite the maps sources, where did they get their info from? Who is to say that Africa is most religious. Some of the smartest people in the world are or were religous (Ben Steinn, Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin etc etc)

Lighten up bro....a fighter can thank whoever they want...who cares????

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This is a Gallup Poll done a few years ago. You'll notice the poorest parts of Africa/Middle east and asia hold the most importance to religion. There are other studies on this, but it was in a book which I gave to my friend.

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Do you have a serious problem? Try talking in a non condescending manner?

I didn't say you were worked up...

I never said I don't or even have a problem with your shared opinion. Kinda missed the point there didnt ya?
I clearly stated that you expressed it in a retarded way, which you even just admitted...

By accusing other groups of being narrow-minded, you demonstrate your self to be narrow-minded, you're a hypocrite and sadly you don't even realize how moronic your post was.

Don't accuse me of being all hurt, in attempt to gain some moral high ground. That's pathetic.

I'm not going to reply to you any more until you at least formulate a post that bears resembelance to something intelligent.

I probably was being sarcastic in the above post. I think you should flame me for it.
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I have a friend who works in Africa helping to deal with the AIDS problems. She confirms that Africa is VERY religious and quite barbaric in imposing the faith in some places. How Gallup defines religion is open to debate though. Are they counting Christianity, Islam etc or Religion full stop? If you include tribal/pagan religion then I can see how Africa would feature strongly.

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Normally when fighters thank god they are thanking god for their ability or fact that they were healthy and able to fight at the best of their ability and for the fact that no one was seriously injured, not for the win, the same reason people thank god that no one was injured in a serious accident or for the fact that they performed well.
I agree with the above.

EDIT. Cant we debate this without getting hung up on how one poster or another words his opinions?
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Normally when fighters thank god they are thanking god for their ability or fact that they were healthy and able to fight at the best of their ability and for the fact that no one was seriously injured, not for the win, the same reason people thank god that no one was injured in a serious accident or for the fact that they performed well.

The fact that you get annoyed by this just shows that you don't truly understand the christian religion and the reason they are thanking god. I can understand this but you are wrong. I guarantee you if you asked marquetd he would agree with me and i know this because I am a fellow Christian. If you are not Christian and/or you know nothing about the religion its easy to come to assumptions.

Secondly, this map you posted is retarded. According to it, Africa is the most religious? America was founded on Christian philosophy. I could make a map just like that citing which countries like hamburgers and claim it was America even though i have no factual basis on that. Atheists like yourselves are just trying to prove the lack thereof of god anyway you can. Cite the maps sources, where did they get their info from? Who is to say that Africa is most religious. Some of the smartest people in the world are or were religous (Ben Steinn, Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin etc etc)

Lighten up bro....a fighter can thank whoever they want...who cares????
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ugh accidentally hit enter, these are direct quotes from benjamin franklin. Einstein was not religious either, a good amount of the founders of America were deist not christian.



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Do you have a serious problem? Try talking in a non condescending manner?

I didn't say you were worked up...

I never said I don't or even have a problem with your shared opinion. Kinda missed the point there didnt ya?
I clearly stated that you expressed it in a retarded way, which you even just admitted...

By accusing other groups of being narrow-minded, you demonstrate your self to be narrow-minded, you're a hypocrite and sadly you don't even realize how moronic your post was.

Don't accuse me of being all hurt, in attempt to gain some moral high ground. That's pathetic.

I'm not going to reply to you any more until you at least formulate a post that bears resembelance to something intelligent.
Sir, i can assure that everything i state at this moment will be somewhat moronic. I think your kind of a dick. Does that merrit some sort of response? Anyway, you accused me of trolling for stating my opinion. Clearly you were looking for a certain kind of response to this thread, sorry i didnt live up to your standards chief.
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I have found christian dogma unintelligible.

Lighthouses are more helpful than churches
Fine, no one says you have to agree with the christian philosophy, just like I as a christian don't have to agree with Islam, or Atheism, or voodoo or whatever Africans believe in, To each his own.

All I'm saying is that it's easy to mis-interpret what a fighter is thanking god for when he thanks god after winning a fight. He's not saying, "Thanks god for letting Me win the fight and Not the other guy", hes saying "Thanks god for letting me fight to the best of my ability and for being a healthy talented fighter." Theres a Big difference.
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The fact that you get annoyed by this just shows that you don't truly understand the christian religion and the reason they are thanking god. I can understand this but you are wrong. I guarantee you if you asked marquetd he would agree with me and i know this because I am a fellow Christian. If you are not Christian and/or you know nothing about the religion its easy to come to assumptions.
"Understand the christian religion" oh that's rich. I'd actually make a bet that 90% of 'Christians' haven't read the bible. Have you read it cover-to-cover? Don't think so. Christians like yourself adore the bible because without reading it you can say "X is true and the world of god while Y is just 'open for interpretation'"

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Secondly, this map you posted is retarded. According to it, Africa is the most religious? America was founded on Christian philosophy. I could make a map just like that citing which countries like hamburgers and claim it was America even though i have no factual basis on that. Atheists like yourselves are just trying to prove the lack thereof of god anyway you can. Cite the maps sources, where did they get their info from? Who is to say that Africa is most religious. Some of the smartest people in the world are or were religous (Ben Steinn, Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin etc etc)
Geez...I just don't know where to start. It's a Gallup poll (one of the most respected pollsters in the world), questioning people from 137 countries about how important religion is in their life. I don't know what you're talking about hamburgers or something...I'm willing to say that you've never done any science in your life, or if you did you weren't very good at it.

Ben Stein? Are you ******* kidding me? He doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Einstein. Ben Franklin? Einstein? Arrghh, the stupid is overwhelming...

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Fine, no one says you have to agree with the christian philosophy, just like I as a christian don't have to agree with Islam, or Atheism, or voodoo or whatever Africans believe in, To each his own.

All I'm saying is that it's easy to mis-interpret what a fighter is thanking god for when he thanks god after winning a fight. He's not saying, "Thanks god for letting Me win the fight and Not the other guy", hes saying "Thanks god for letting me fight to the best of my ability and for being a healthy talented fighter." Theres a Big difference.
Oh lol not my words

To each his own indeed, as I said earlier nothing wrong with a persons beliefs as long as they don't infringe on another person's rights.

Just curious when you say "christian philosophy" what exactly do you mean? I believe it was thomas jefferson or lincoln that re-wrote the entire bible without any of the miracles and magic, but left the moral tales etc and that would technically fall in line with "christian philosophy" even though it is entirely secular.



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All I'm saying is that it's easy to mis-interpret what a fighter is thanking god for when he thanks god after winning a fight. He's not saying, "Thanks god for letting Me win the fight and Not the other guy", hes saying "Thanks god for letting me fight to the best of my ability and for being a healthy talented fighter." Theres a Big difference.
I agree with you in general, but I do think that many fighters do seem to thank god for letting/helping them win. All speculation of course. It's the same in lots of sports. Quotes like, "I think god for giving me strength to kick this guys arse" are not uncommon. I would love to actually hear a fighter say, "I would like to thank god for making this an awesome fight and giving my opponent the strength to challange me."
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