joshua7789

Umm...Maybe i was wrong about people not getting worked up about a fighters religious beliefs. Folks are a awfully touchy about this.

Deftsound

Really? I seem to remember from my history class that the pilgrims coming from England to America on the Mayflower were escaping Catholic rule to form their own sect of christianity also known as Lutherans, based on Martin Luther's theory, "Luther taught that salvation is not from good works, but a free gift of God, received only by grace through faith in Jesus as redeemer from sin. His theology challenged the authority of the pope of the Roman Catholic Church."

America was formed upon pilgrim seperatists wanting to escape the wrath of the catholic church to practice their own form of christianity, "With their religion oppressed by the English Church and government,[5] the small party of religious Puritan separatists who comprised about half of the passengers on the ship desired a life where they could practice their religion freely. This symbol of religious freedom resonates in US society"

Many of the founders may have been deist, but fundamentally, America was founded on religious principles....

Biowza

You are so wrong here It's not even funny. I really hope you aren't from the USA, that would be embarrassing for your sake.

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Deftsound

Your right, and I'd like to make a bet that 90% of people who claim to be christians arent really christians. No, I have not read the Entire bible. But i know enough of it to argue my point, and obviously a little more than you do. You don't know me, therefor you have no idea how much of the bible ive read, this to me tells me that you are just wanting to put a label on me and attack christianity as a whole. Were you raped as a young child? You sound very angry...relax bro, no one is forcing religion down your throat, im just defending the fighters who want to thank god.

I've done a little science and believe it or not im Not one of those christians thats opposed to science or evolution. I have a 4 year degree from texas a&m. I'm not stupid and I do know what im talking about so i don't appreciate you degrading me.

You sound like you're just really angry overall, maybe you need some counseling or a real stiff drink, maybe a joint...seriously relax no one is attacking you.

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xeberus

So you admit that all the facts you have said so far were completely wrong and just felt like saying them because they fall in line with your side of an argument?

Now you want to give me a history lesson? All a person has to do to see that America was not founded on christianity is to take a look at the constitution, the declaration of independence of the treaty of tripoli.

"The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the 1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:

Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [bold caps, mine]

Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State." Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from our Founding Fathers."

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Article 11 of the treaty, it is very clear our founding fathers wanted nothing more than a government divorced from religion.

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Deftsound

REally? I quoted this from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower

Na, I don't get emberassed over some stupid ass forum on the internet. Its not real life bro...its the internet

Biowza

See....

Treaty of Tripoli, Constitution, Declaration of Independance, etc. You are so very very wrong Mr Deftsound. What I find weird is that I know more about your country than you do.

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I don't think England was Catholic when you lot's ancestors were settling America.

Fighters are often religious because they need to have a massive amount of self belief, is my guess.

It's true Hughes never says, 'I lost, I imagine God wanted me to lose, and for Thiago to win, because he is a more devout Christian than me'.

Also Deftsound and Fredfish are tards - and very convenient for each other

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Deftsound

haha ok bro you win. No point in arguing with you.

Deftsound

lol ok