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Old 09-24-2009, 04:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Religion in the ufc

I just want to say, I'm not trying to cause any religious arguements or provoke hatred and I'm fully aware this is a pretty sensitive topic. So feel free to move this to the smack talk section or just close the thread admins.

On to the point, are most fighters religious? After many victories they thank God (recently off the top of my head Belfort and Marquardt), I personally get slightly irritated, but perhaps that's my own atheist bias. What if both fighters were praying to the same God? You won the fight, not God bestowing you with powers, that's my opinion.

Are there any other different religious fighters in the UFC? It seems most are christian, how well would an Islamic prayer to Allah go down in the southern states? It seems most fans are Christian.

What's the reason for such a large amount of fighters being religious. Surely that's not a coincidence. Is there something that comes with the level of intense competition and almost human nature that provides athletes to look for a higher power, hope and God if you will. Or do they accquire this after starting MMA?

Or perhaps it's where the fighters come from, Brazil and America generally have strong religious ties back to society. I'm English and whilst religion is very apparent it's definitly taking a decline. So it's very possible that's my skewered opinion.

Please discuss your thoughts, as I'm interested in hearing what you think. And keep flames to a minimum.
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Old 09-24-2009, 04:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Most fighters aren't particuarly smart or come from poor upbringings. These two things are the breeding ground for religion. Many studies have found that lack of intelligence and poor upbringing makes you much more susceptible to religious belief. This is why you don't see a great deal of religious scientists and the like. I'm sure someone will say "OMG LOOK AT PERSON X, HE'S SMART AND RELIGIOUS". These people obviously don't understand what I'm saying.
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See, I actually sort of came to that conclusion my self, but I didn't want to say it so bluntly as I don't belive it's 100% that clear cut, and I'm sure you don't either. Also I don't wish to offend anyone. But on the most part I must agree with you.

Could you link me to some of these studies as I'm very interested. I'm at work and don't really have the time.
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It's funny you said that because I was under the impression that most fighters in the UFC have had higher education. And most are well spoken and intellegent. I think a big part of being religious is how you are brought up.
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If I were in the UFC I would be "religious" hell I might even thank god after a fight. Who are my fans? Americans, and 65% of the american population are christian. I would be religious the same way barack obama is religious, in the public eye. The low 54 million american atheists who are well educated and liberal probably don't even watch UFC or combat sports, or at least not many of them. Its just business or another way into the spot light.
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Im not a religious dude, but im not completely narrow minded and atheist either. Sorry, i find "devout" atheists to be about as obnoxious as jehovah's witnesses. I dont care who is praying to what god in any circumstances and i dont see why anyone gets worked up about someones prayers or lack of prayers. For some reason I dont see the audience of the UFC getting all worked up if someone went all muslim and started throwing shout outs to allah after a fight, i dont know why, for some reason i just dont think it would be a big deal.
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It's funny you said that because I was under the impression that most fighters in the UFC have had higher education. And most are well spoken and intellegent. I think a big part of being religious is how you are brought up.
Higher education? I honestly doubt that. Sure there are guys like Rich Franklin, Kenny Florian, and Joe Lauzon who are smart. But for the most part they aren't very smart.

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See, I actually sort of came to that conclusion my self, but I didn't want to say it so bluntly as I don't belive it's 100% that clear cut, and I'm sure you don't either. Also I don't wish to offend anyone. But on the most part I must agree with you.

Could you link me to some of these studies as I'm very interested. I'm at work and don't really have the time.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...cbd026da77245c

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...f6f8ce4b6001de

This is a Gallup Poll done a few years ago. You'll notice the poorest parts of Africa/Middle east and asia hold the most importance to religion. There are other studies on this, but it was in a book which I gave to my friend.

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"Im not a religious dude, but im not completely narrow minded and atheist either. Sorry, i find "devout" atheists to be about as obnoxious as jehovah's witnesses. I dont care who is praying to what god in any circumstances and i dont see why anyone gets worked up about someones prayers or lack of prayers. For some reason I dont see the audience of the UFC getting all worked up if someone went all muslim and started throwing shout outs to allah after a fight, i dont know why, for some reason i just dont think it would be a big deal."

Are you trolling? You're not narrow-minded, but find all atheists and jehovas witnesses obnoxious. Oh ok. Yeah that makes sense.
Figuratively speaking, if you're an atheist you're devout to it, in the sense you refuse all other beliefs.

You've also just showed how you failed to read, no one is getting "worked up" just expressing opinions. And people do get offended at beliefs or lack of, so I suggest you take your ignorance else where.

Wow can you at least argue properly? "If some one went all muslim" lol... seriously?

Your post was exactly what I was trying to keep out of my topic, I don't mind you expressing your opinion. But do it with a little class please.

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Most fighters aren't particuarly smart or come from poor upbringings. These two things are the breeding ground for religion. Many studies have found that lack of intelligence and poor upbringing makes you much more susceptible to religious belief. This is why you don't see a great deal of religious scientists and the like. I'm sure someone will say "OMG LOOK AT PERSON X, HE'S SMART AND RELIGIOUS". These people obviously don't understand what I'm saying.
Einstein believed in God but not religion. I'm of the same belief myself. There is a difference between following a religion and believing in a greater power of some kind.

To quote Einstein : "That deeply emotional conviction of a presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."

Now, if a fighter believes in an established religion like Christianity or Islam, and then thanks God for winning a fight, then I have to agree with the OP : Why would God support you and not the other fighter? It seems absurd to me and quite contradictory considering the message that these religions seem to push which is equality and love.

However, a fighter who believes in a god/power of some kind without following an established religion, then that I can relate to. Its about listening to your own feelings and acting on them rather than doing what's written in a book or scripture. eg, If I won a fight I would thank god. Not because I won or that he/she/it helped me win, but because it was a joyous thing and I'm still alive.
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Im not a religious dude, but im not completely narrow minded and atheist either. Sorry, i find "devout" atheists to be about as obnoxious as jehovah's witnesses. I dont care who is praying to what god in any circumstances and i dont see why anyone gets worked up about someones prayers or lack of prayers. For some reason I dont see the audience of the UFC getting all worked up if someone went all muslim and started throwing shout outs to allah after a fight, i dont know why, for some reason i just dont think it would be a big deal.
Yea, I've definitely met my share of D-bag atheists. What annoys me the most about them is how they carry their huge banners and signs outside of bars/clubs/universities/medical clinics to bash others for wasting their lives and when they force their science on us. The only thing worse are the ones that knock on your door at 7am on saturday waking you up to tell you about evolution. Nothing wrong with a persons beliefs as long as they don't infringe on anothers rights.
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