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Old 09-26-2009, 04:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Allow me to introduce myself, Im Toxic the guy who has already given you one infraction today, the guy your insulting now happens to go by the name servatose this "noob" if you notice has been around here for a while has many posts and also if you notice has a green rep bar which means he is respected, you on the other hand are obviously off to a rough start judging by your red rep bar. Continuing to cause disruptions will not be tolerated, have a nice day.
Well c'mon, it's frustrating to listen to these bandwagon hoppers creaming their Sprawl jammies over some over-hyped fighter with a 4-1-0 record while making disparaging remarks about one of the greatest fighters the sport has ever seen.

Furthermore, I didn't mean to be insulting, I just assumed that someone who would make such a comment must be a new fan. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not one of the people who complain about the new fans, I welcome all pro-wrestling converts.

I will try to be a little less passionate with my responses in the future.

Sorry.

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Old 09-26-2009, 04:16 PM   #22 (permalink)
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You're obviously new to MMA so I'm going to help you out. Go here and watch some of the battles and wars Nogueira has been in against fighters far superior to Brock friggen flavor of the month Lesnar. Then once you've learned how moronic your comment was come back and delete your account and start over.


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Since you're clearly trolling, I'm opting not to support my opinion, which as already stated was nothing more than speculation.
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Old 09-26-2009, 04:20 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't trolling defined by posting ridiculous, controversial or pervocative things to get a reaction and attention?

Because if that definition is true it doesn't apply to me because I truly and strongly believe what I'm posting about. To be honest I'm a little surprised that I got a warning or that I offended anyone. I guess what I wrote sounded harsher when read than I meant it to and for that I apologize.
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Old 09-26-2009, 04:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't trolling defined by posting ridiculous, controversial or pervocative things to get a reaction and attention?

Because if that definition is true it doesn't apply to me because I truly and strongly believe what I'm posting about. To be honest I'm a little surprised that I got a warning or that I offended anyone. I guess what I wrote sounded harsher when read than I meant it to and for that I apologize.
Fair enough, then I'll proceed to explain the reason behind my opinion -- reason which could very well be flawed, however I believe it to be correct.

First, I'll start off with saying Brock has improved dramatically with each of his fights. I think there are several reasons for this. I believe his first loss, to Frank Mir essentially guided the defensive focus and heavy ground control he's now begun to demonstrate.

He's training with Greg Nelson, a very versatile coach who has the ability to bring in guys like Rodrigo Medeiros, to help prepare him for opponents like Mir and Nog on the ground. It is also my opinion that due to the quick pace in which MMA evolves at, a fighter's skill can only be measured by his last fight, which luckily for Brock was an impressive demonstration of ground control over Frank Mir.

Not only do I think Brock is going to be too athletic and strong for Nog to control on the ground, but I believe because of who he's training with and how much he's improved recently, that Nog will be controlled on the ground in a similar fashion that Mir was. Something which in my mind feels like a logical deduction. I also think posting Nog's old fights is rather redundant. Most of us know the wars he's been in, but we also have people like Frank Mir and Mirko Cro Cop to remind us how different the up and coming Heavy Weights are, athletically. Nog has never fought someone with the speed, power, and wrestling of Lesnar combined into one.
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Fair enough, then I'll proceed to explain the reason behind my opinion -- reason which could very well be flawed, however I believe it to be correct.

First, I'll start off with saying Brock has improved dramatically with each of his fights. I think there are several reasons for this. I believe his first loss, to Frank Mir essentially guided the defensive focus and heavy ground control he's now begun to demonstrate.

He's training with Greg Nelson, a very versatile coach who has the ability to bring in guys like Rodrigo Medeiros, to help prepare him for opponents like Mir and Nog on the ground. It is also my opinion that due to the quick pace in which MMA evolves at, a fighter's skill can only be measured by his last fight, which luckily for Brock was an impressive demonstration of ground control over Frank Mir.

Not only do I think Brock is going to be too athletic and strong for Nog to control on the ground, but I believe because of who he's training with and how much he's improved recently, that Nog will be controlled on the ground in a similar fashion that Mir was. Something which in my mind feels like a logical deduction. I also think posting Nog's old fights is rather redundant. Most of us know the wars he's been in, but we also have people like Frank Mir and Mirko Cro Cop to remind us how different the up and coming Heavy Weights are, athletically. Nog has never fought someone with the speed, power, and wrestling of Lesnar combined into one.
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And I have to savor this argument/quote by Luiz Alves. It is seriously the only plausible criticism he could come up with to justify his fighter fighting Brock and good for him for saying it....I don't think Brock's hypothetical "failure of gastank" in Rds 4 and 5 is going to set the internet ablaze with angry calls for Brock v. Nog immediately.

Someone eventually will take Brock to Rds 4 and 5 ....I think. When it happens I have little concern that Brock will be tireder then the person taking him to those rounds.
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Fair enough, then I'll proceed to explain the reason behind my opinion -- reason which could very well be flawed, however I believe it to be correct.

First, I'll start off with saying Brock has improved dramatically with each of his fights. I think there are several reasons for this. I believe his first loss, to Frank Mir essentially guided the defensive focus and heavy ground control he's now begun to demonstrate.

He's training with Greg Nelson, a very versatile coach who has the ability to bring in guys like Rodrigo Medeiros, to help prepare him for opponents like Mir and Nog on the ground. It is also my opinion that due to the quick pace in which MMA evolves at, a fighter's skill can only be measured by his last fight, which luckily for Brock was an impressive demonstration of ground control over Frank Mir.

Not only do I think Brock is going to be too athletic and strong for Nog to control on the ground, but I believe because of who he's training with and how much he's improved recently, that Nog will be controlled on the ground in a similar fashion that Mir was. Something which in my mind feels like a logical deduction. I also think posting Nog's old fights is rather redundant. Most of us know the wars he's been in, but we also have people like Frank Mir and Mirko Cro Cop to remind us how different the up and coming Heavy Weights are, athletically. Nog has never fought someone with the speed, power, and wrestling of Lesnar combined into one.
If you're going to start interjecting logic and reason into our debates I'm not taking to you anymore. I prefer to keep my discussions low-brow and on the level of foul mouthed 8 years olds
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Nog has never fought someone with the speed, power, and wrestling of Lesnar combined into one.
That pretty much sums it up.
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You're obviously new to MMA so I'm going to help you out. Go here and watch some of the battles and wars Nogueira has been in against fighters far superior to Brock friggen flavor of the month Lesnar. Then once you've learned how moronic your comment was come back and delete your account and start over.


http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f
I love how these new posters jump in threads and start calling people noobs.

Trust me A hole everyone here is well aware of Nog's career. Having the opinion that Brock may smoke him in a fight doesn't make you an uneducated fan of MMA.
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Brock did 3 rounds against Herring. Also, regards Couture, taking deep breaths doesn't equal gassing. The evidence of gassing is in the action not the breathing. A gassed fighter has no spring or dynamics in his movement. As I remember it, soon as Lesnar dropped Randy he was all over him in lightning speed dropping hammerfists and elbows at quite some pace. Lesnar gassing? ... my arse he was.
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Brock did 3 rounds against Herring. Also, regards Couture, taking deep breaths doesn't equal gassing. The evidence of gassing is in the action not the breathing. A gassed fighter has no spring or dynamics in his movement. As I remember it, soon as Lesnar dropped Randy he was all over him in lightning speed dropping hammerfists and elbows at quite some pace. Lesnar gassing? ... my arse he was.
Have to agree. Taking deep breaths with mouth bitween rounds doesn't equal gassing.
What I find weird though that Nog's trainers keep worrying about Brock's gas. They should worry more about Cane's kickboxing at the moment because there is a good chance Nog is getting KTFO if he lets his mind wander too much.
Anyway as many said already, I don't think Nog is the fighter to take Brock to a 5 round decision anyway. Nog had huge problems standing with Sylvia and got destroyed by Mir. Nog May not be as technical as Mir but he sure has the KO power to drop Nog the way he dropped Mir (in first fight) Herring and Randy.
Personally Im surprised if Nog gets to 3rd round. Brock has shown excellent ground control and followed his game plan vs. Mir perfectly, so if he does same thing he did against Mir I think he wins the fight already. Though Im not surprised if he chooses to strike with Nog for a bit too.
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