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Old 12-15-2006, 08:11 PM   #21 (permalink)
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well rampage actually beat chuck at stand up before going for the takedown so he didnt just go for it he worked chuk a bit first
Exactly Rampage had him pretty beat up, Chuck was falling down just from Rampage pushing him. All that fight was was an example of someone who can stand with Liddell and not be an idiot like Babalu and run into his fists.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
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but if you think about it all the fighters he's fought since rampage arent that great at striking
Babalu, Horn, Tito and Randy are all mainly ground fighters and wrestlers. Coutour has some pretty good standup and Titos is decent but none are as good as chuck.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:25 PM   #23 (permalink)
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After Chuck beats Tito up he should test himself in Pride. Cause in the UFC nobody has the striking skills to even have a chance. Brandon Vera is the only guy I can think of who may be able to beat Chuck. Of course Tito has a chance but I don't see it happening. I want Vera vs. Liddell
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:44 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I find that a lot of MMA guys come in all wild and swinging big crazy haymakers. As an ex-boxer it always makes me laugh my bag off...99% of the stand up in MMA is pure armature...these guys wouldn't last 30 seconds against even a mediocre pro-boxer if the "take down" was out of the equation. I do think it's getting better though, fighters are obviously working a lot on their stand up but christ they have a long, long way to go.
I agree that mma standup, in general, has improved a bit but still has a loooong way to go overall.

Chuck swings with everything and, as a result, has produced some fantastic knockouts. A few things though. First, his punches are too wide and his CHIN IS UP EXPOSED, and he stands squared up offering both head and body as a target.

No one Chuck has fought from Ortiz to Belfort on down protects their chin NOR do they punch straight, but loop their punches as well. QJ is one exception though.

Streetsoldier had success against Chuck because he boxes cleaner than Liddell keeping his chin down, hands up in a classic stance, and he fought low slipping under and attacking from under those haymakers. And when Liddell missed, Streetsoldier made him pay for it countering well and driving him back.

In terms of power Liddell has it. In terms of technique he lacks....SORELY. In terms of effectiveness, he's money....but based on my observation this is due by in large to the lack of overall striking technique widely and currently practiced in mma.
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Scratch Belfort from off my above list. He DOES punch straight. However Belfort, IMO, does not set his shots up well and can be a mental midget sometimes.
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You can't deny that Chuck is the best at striking.

Dummy who posted this has no clue how to box or knows nothing about striking.

Hey there pin head i didnt post this to discredit chuck lidel im just saying that that big hay maker is going to cost him one day, and ive been boxing and fighting for a lot of years,and how can you make that jugment with just a few sentences .
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:09 PM   #27 (permalink)
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its.not.gonna.matter.at.all.when.Tito.bashes.Chuck .Dec.30!
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:11 PM   #28 (permalink)
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but.i.will.say.that.i.think.Chuck.would.take.out.W andy.and.he.would.beat.Rampage.in.a.rematch..But.S hogun.would.make.him.look.like.an.amatuer
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Old 12-15-2006, 10:37 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Randy is a better than decent striker although he utilizes G and P often. He did beat Chuck but chuck came back and beat him twice since, although Randy was getting up there in years... damn I hate when I argue with myself trying to make a point. Anyways, for those saying that a boxer would murder Liddell I say: It's a good thing he's not a boxer then. He is an MMA fighter not a boxer, as for IRON MIKE, I don't think he could handle being whipped around by Chuck's kicks and right hand.
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if you know anything about fighters and fighting everyone loses to someone regardless of who you are even the great fedor lost on his way to the top not in pride but i bet it happened somewhere along the line.
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