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Old 10-09-2009, 01:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What I think is funny is how everyone trashes Brock for being proud of his Div I wrestling. He didn't talk about it much other than have a wrestling background until people started trying to compare Carwin's Div II to his Div I. Unfortunately for Carwin if this does go to the ground and become a wrestling match he will find out that a Div I wrestler who still practices with Div I wrestlers is much better on the ground.

But I think even with all the talk everybody is pretty much on the same page. This fight won't be about wrestling, if the fight goes to the ground I am pretty sure almost everyone agrees it will be Lesnar on the top. If there is a flash KO it is more likely to be Carwin who does it as Carwin sends people to sleep while Lesnar knocks them silly and finishes them on the ground. So it comes back to striker vs wrestler, and 90% of the time the wrestler wins, so Carwin better be practicing his cage walking because I just don't think he will be able to stop the TD is Lesnar gets that close. Carwin needs to be studying Machida to learn how to avoid even getting grabbed at all and still strike.
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Old 10-09-2009, 02:09 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Gonzaga seemingly took him down easily, being the only world class fighter on Shanes resume, i would be VERY scared if im a Carwin backer/fan. Do you really think he can stop Brocks TDs but not Gonzaga?? When (yes when, not if) Brock takes him down, do you think it will be easy for Shane to get back up?? Thats the real question in this fight for me, not if Shane can stop Brock from taking him down, but can he get up real fast and start throwing like he did against Gonzaga..... personally, i think Brock is a whole other beast in terms of control on the ground, i respect Mirs ground game and BJJ and he is acknowledged as one of the best HWs in the world down there, but Brocks strength is something nobody seems to be able to train for, and he displayed immaculate control of Mir, not letting him move his hips and we all know what his short GnP punches can do....

I dont expect Brock to take many risks standing, altho i think his KO power is comparable to Shanes if not greater, it's just he entered MMA facing legends, former champs and esteemed veterns, Shane fought can 1 to can 10 til he met Gonzaga. Put Brock in the ring with some of the goofs Shane KO'd and i think you prob get a similar result, so im not putting too much into that. If Shane can get up quickly from TDs and throw hands (i think he has a hand speed advantage, not a power one) he has a chance, but i would call it a very small one.
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BTW i love the "learn from Machida" comment above me.... yes Shane should be able to pick up in a month or 2 what took a smaller, more agile athlete his entire lifes training from early childhood with his father and on....
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From the way couture stuffed brock and the fact that brock was scared to stand with frank mir, I would be VERY worried if I was a brock nutugger.


I see this fight ending very quicky by flash K.O. My advice to brock would be to learn some basic head movement, because when shane throws a bomb at his face he better be ready.
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I kind of wander how far Lesnar will go with his closed-camp policy.
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From the way couture stuffed brock and the fact that brock was scared to stand with frank mir, I would be VERY worried if I was a brock nutugger.


I see this fight ending very quicky by flash K.O. My advice to brock would be to learn some basic head movement, because when shane throws a bomb at his face he better be ready.
Couture is about three times the wrestler that Carwin is. Couture also has a lot more experience against top competition. Bad comparison bruddah.
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Couture is about three times the wrestler that Carwin is. Couture also has a lot more experience against top competition. Bad comparison bruddah.
Also Mir is a much more diversified and technical striker than Carwin. Carwin has power but horrible technique.
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I agree with some of your points, but the problem with your thinking is that this isn't a wrestling match, its an MMA match; and usually when you see 2 good wrestlers enter an MMA match it ends up not being a wrestling battle at all. Also I think Shane may just be skilled and strong enough of a wrestler to get brock off of him if it does goto the ground. Having said that, I wouldn't want to be the one underneath Lesnar and he can inflict real damange if he can get on top of you and keep you there.

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Are you serious? Gonzaga shattered carwin's nose right before takig him down, Gonzaga would not have taken him down like that had that not just happened. The fact that Shane recovered and finished a fight after something like that is mind blowing.

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I agree that Carwin needs to work on his head movement and stay lighter on his feet. If you've ever seen training videos of carwin he is extremely nimble, and his hands are much better than he showed in the Gonzaga fight, so if he continues training liek he does, I see it coming with experience.

I am rooting for Shane, knowing that people that say he has no chance in hell are just plain blind or nuthuggerlirious. He has a prettty solid bet at the urrent odds, and somebody is either getting pounded out or knockedout.
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I agree with some of your points, but the problem with your thinking is that this isn't a wrestling match, its an MMA match; and usually when you see 2 good wrestlers enter an MMA match it ends up not being a wrestling battle at all. Also I think Shane may just be skilled and strong enough of a wrestler to get brock off of him if it does goto the ground. Having said that, I wouldn't want to be the one underneath Lesnar and he can inflict real damange if he can get on top of you and keep you there.

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Are you serious? Gonzaga shattered carwin's nose right before takig him down, Gonzaga would not have taken him down like that had that not just happened. The fact that Shane recovered and finished a fight after something like that is mind blowing.

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I agree that Carwin needs to work on his head movement and stay lighter on his feet. If you've ever seen training videos of carwin he is extremely nimble, and his hands are much better than he showed in the Gonzaga fight, so if he continues training liek he does, I see it coming with experience.

I am rooting for Shane, knowing that people that say he has no chance in hell are just plain blind or nuthuggerlirious. He has a prettty solid bet at the urrent odds, and somebody is either getting pounded out or knockedout.
Good points, except you dont judge a fighter on how they train, you judge them on how they fight. Carwin's hands have not looked good from a technical stand point in his fights. He does have a lot of power, which will carry you a long way. Hell, Chuck Liddel made a hall of fame career out of sloppy striking with a lot of power.
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Good points, except you dont judge a fighter on how they train, you judge them on how they fight. Carwin's hands have not looked good from a technical stand point in his fights. He does have a lot of power, which will carry you a long way. Hell, Chuck Liddel made a hall of fame career out of sloppy striking with a lot of power.

I agree with you that you judge a person on how they fight in the moment and not how they train, but being comfortable comes with experience. Chuck Liddel trains sloppy and fights sloppy, and not to mention he is about as calm and collected as you can get leading into a fight. Shane still gets jittery, and he just needs to get use to the spot light and being int he ring. I mean he doesnt have much ring time if you think about it.
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Holy shit LOL Ranch Dressing! Also LOL "They need something to do with their lives" Thanks for clearing up what Div II is Brock

The important thing to glean from this interview and the new thing at least I learned....6 figs for a training camp? Someone smarter, how usual/unusual is that? Say what you want but it sounds like the champ is dedicated to keeping that belt like no other. Thank you for blessing us with an interview King Brock!
This is what really struck me. I think it shows us his dedication, and regardless of whether or not one doesn't enjoy Brock's personality, it's impossible to deny the intelligence he has in training.
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