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post #11 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-11-2009, 03:28 AM
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Okay guy, name one fight off of the next two UFC cards (besides Lyoto v Shogun) you'd rather watch over any of the fights on this card? Or would you rather pay $50 for one Lyoto fight or get all these fights for free?
What does that have anything to do with Strikeforce being a future major competitor? It doesn't matter what fights are coming up. What matters is that the UFC is MMA in America, plain and simple. The kind of thing where people think the UFC is the sport itself.

But just to answer your question, I look forward to Rogers/Fedor because well, it's Fedor and I'm always excited to see him fight so other then Lyoto/Shogun I'm not looking forward to any other fight. Seeing Mousasi beat another UFC wash-out isn't exciting to me. Werdum/Silva could be good. Shields/Miller will just be Shields beating down Mayhem, it looks like a decent card.

Granted, UFC 105 looks like poo, but's free and Swick/Hardy will be damn good. UFC 104 however can be exciting.

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Still don't think that strikeforce has nearly the same level of talent on their books as the UFC. Yeah they have Fedor, Mousasi, Overeem [?] etc, but I still don't think its a patch on what the UFC offers. They may get big but Dana White and the Fertita brothers have not only made a world class competition but have developed a world class brand too, which strikeforce aren't even challenging yet.

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post #13 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-11-2009, 05:33 AM
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Unfortunately, Strikeforce is "blowing their load" with this card and featuring all of their main talent... and no, I don't want to hear that common folks are gonna get amped up for a Nick Diaz fight or a Gilbert Melendez fight... will internet message board freaks, like us - yeah. But not common folk. So we'll probably see another feature Strikeforce show in 3 or 4 months... when Fedor is ready to headline. Again. Or when they put Carano back in the ring. Again. Maybe they can have Fedor roll with Carano in an exhibition grappling match.

Don't get me wrong, I like me some Strikeforce (I'm a Mousasi slappy), but let's be realistic. If they were to build their roster and develop some talent, then sure, maybe they'll pose a threat down the line.

And since when is Werdum an "MMA Legend"??? WTF?! That's outright laughable.
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post #14 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-11-2009, 05:56 AM
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I dont want Strike force to be a competitor with the UFC. I want them to be an org that has womens MMA and UP and COMING stars in it that will run into the UFC.

We dont want MMA to turn into Boxing now do we? By having big stars here, there and everywhere and we just hope somehow they fight each other? The day Fendor and Mousasi il be a happy man and strike force can have Kimbo til he wins a few decent fighters!

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post #15 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-11-2009, 07:43 AM
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A major difference between the two Is the production value.
Strikeforce just "looks" cheaper.

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Granted the card is an exciting prospect. But aside from Fedor please explain to me how the list of pro's the OP posted is any different to EliteXC?

I'd be concerned and hope that the org isn't flying too close to the sun. How much money will a show on CBS actually make them as an org? Then put that in comparision with what they are paying Fedor and their other guys.

Strikeforce always seemed to have a solid business model. With the expansion, getting into bed with M-1 Global etc - this isn't Strikeforce anymore. This is EliteXC 2.0

So only time will tell how bigger competition they actually are.

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post #17 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-11-2009, 08:16 AM
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Eh at this stage Strikeforce has a way to go, However they do have some draw power and hopefully it continues to improve.

Alex, you say that people are hyping Rogers a lot, but you can hardly criticize them, He is doing reasonably well, and the UFC are notorious for over-hyping fighters,even you gotta admit that! Do I really need to list where this has been done?

Shields vs Miller should be a good fight, Miller seems to have sorted his shit out with training for 2009, and he seems to have matured a bit. Win or lose he is an exciting fighter and if he wins he will break in to the top tier of the division.
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post #18 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-11-2009, 08:16 AM
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You make a lot of really good points, but most of your points revolve around the talent. The fact is, the talent is not the problem, it's the forces around it.
The commentary, and announcing in Strikeforce is horrendous, and I mean HORRENDOUS! Scott Koker I think could be good at what he does, but at the moment he seems to be allowing his fighters to dictate the events... love or hate Dana, he never does that. What does that mean? It means you will NEVER see a title go undefended for two years in the UFC.

However your point about the TV ratings and veiwers, undeniable, and hopefully will work for them.

Bottom line is, you're absolutely right... the potential is there, but they are a long way away from really threatening the UFC.
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post #19 of 42 (permalink) Old 10-11-2009, 08:48 AM
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StrikeForce's card on Nov. 7 does look to me like a very good card. But frankly what they're doing is "Throwing all their eggs into one basket", this may be a very good card prospectively but it's (nearly) the best card they could put out, ommiting their "Champion" Overeem. For us MMA fans, seeing Fedor, Mousasi, Shields and Werdum fighting on one card is a privalege.

But what is their next card going to look like? After these guys yeah they have their female fighters and Overeem, but the UFC are putting on almost 2 cards a month with names and fights we all know and respect.

It's not so much StrikeForce I have any problem with, I like the competition aspect it drives the UFC to put on a lot of quality cards. It's the politics of StrikeForce I have a problem with, Cung Le was their MW champ and he relinquished that title to go act in a movie, Alistair Overeem is their HW champ and hasn't fought in SF for what? Almost 2 years, I mean the guy says he's injured then he goes and fights in another country like a couple of weeks later. Surely these fighter should be more contractually obligated to fight in SF, Yes I'm aware of the whole Rampage situation.

The fact of the matter is, that the UFC will put on 8/9/10 out of 10 cards twice a month (with a few exceptions, you never know 105 could turn out to be good) and StrikeForce can't match that volume yet. The UFC is still the holy grail for any fighter looking to reach the top of the mountain (which should be all of them), the only way fighters are going to sign with SF over the UFC is if SF offer much more money, which will mean they'll just go bankrupt sooner rather than later. Or by offering them immediate title shots, which didn't work out too well for Jay Hieron.

In conclusion, I wish SF well. The competition aspect in any market does drive companies to put out the best product they can. What SF is hoping to do to the UFC is what the UFC is currently doing to boxing, it only spells good for MMA in general.
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Afflicton had some of the most amazing talent in mma, even opponents for Fedor, but couldnt hold it together. I actually enjoyed Afflction and the UFC quickly got them runnng back to sale their tshirts. I dont think its a matter of IF SF wll fail, its a matter of if it will happen before Fedor retires and hence forth cant come to the UFC. Plus, SF is giving up half of its $$$ from this event to M1 global pushing them even further into the red. Luckily the UFC passed on that. M1 wouldve made more money off of one copromotion with the ufc then what theyll make his whole tenure with SF. I really wanted Fedor/Couture
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