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Old 10-15-2009, 01:52 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Okay, I have to take issue with this. I'm a big Machida fan and I love to watch him fight, but I think it's way too early to say "no one can stack up against" him. If he beats Shogun and gets two more big wins, I might agree that he has an aura of invincibility like Anderson or GSP. For now, he's got a number of good solid wins and just one truly impressive win over an elite fighter (Rashad).

I think Machida's the favourite over Shogun, and I'll be cheering for him, but that doesn't mean Shogun couldn't knock him on his ass.

OT: I think LHW and LW are equally interesting right now. I'm eager to see if Machida can be the champ that lasts at LHW. Some of the other divisions are deep too, but I suspect Lesnar vs Carwin is going to be anticlimactic.

Well Lyoto has beaten Rich Franklin, BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz, Stephan Bonnar, Thiago Silva, Sokoudjou, and Rashad Evans, and he's done all of this without losing a single round. He's the second least hit fighter in MMA.


I can understand people's refusal to accept Machida until he's defended a few times... but if he had gotten the title from Franklin when he first defeated him (just two years from when Franklin would infact have the title) then I guess it'd be a different story.

Agreed about Lesnar vs Carwin being anticlimatic. With all the hype, there's almost no way it can live up to it.
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Old 10-15-2009, 02:11 AM   #12 (permalink)
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LHW. Crazy talent there. I love this division in the UFC. Always very great matchups.
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Old 10-15-2009, 03:31 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Well Lyoto has beaten Rich Franklin, BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz, Stephan Bonnar, Thiago Silva, Sokoudjou, and Rashad Evans, and he's done all of this without losing a single round. He's the second least hit fighter in MMA.


I can understand people's refusal to accept Machida until he's defended a few times... but if he had gotten the title from Franklin when he first defeated him (just two years from when Franklin would infact have the title) then I guess it'd be a different story.
Some good points here. I'm certainly not saying Machida hasn't proven himself, I just don't think he's invincible.

Franklin's a high-level win I'd forgotten about, I guess because it wasn't in Machida's UFC run. I don't put much stock in the BJ fight - I actually think it reflects really well on BJ (3 rounds, and BJ was pretty competitive for parts of it!) but not especially Machida with his 30 lb. weight advantage. Ortiz is a good solid win. Bonnar, Sokoudjou, Silva I see as B-level.

I guess what I'm saying is that Machida proved he was top-tier by beating those guys decisively. Not sure what to make of the Franklin fight as Rich was a different fighter then (but it's still damn impressive - no doubt who won that one!). Then he proved he was elite level and a champion by beating Rashad, who I see as a step above all those guys (except maybe Franklin).

I think Machida's a ton of fun to watch, and I never agreed with people who thought he was boring before the Silva & Evans fights.

But this thread's about the deepest divisions, and there seems to be a lot of voices talking about LHW as the deepest. I don't think Machida looks invincible until he defeats Shogun plus two more top 10 guys. Ideally that would've been Griffin and Rampage for me... I think Shogun and Rampage would have the best shot against him (other than A. Silva, of course).

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Not for long. Randy is starting to show his age and I don't see him getting past most of the fighters that I listed.

He had his last great comeback in 2007... Lets just leave it at that.

Vera might just catch him with a knee or a combo and that'll be that.
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Old 10-15-2009, 06:58 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Some of the other divisions are deep too, but I suspect Lesnar vs Carwin is going to be anticlimactic.
If Lesnar wins the Brock nut-huggers on this board will be climaxing.. in their pants.
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:42 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Im taking the WW division

Georges St. Pierre
Jon Fitch
Thiago Alves
Anthony Johnson
Mike Swick
Josh Koshcheck
Carlos Condit
Marcus Davis
Dan Hardy
Matt Hughes
Matt Serra
Martin Kampmann
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Paul Daley
Dustin Hazelett
Ben Saunders
Johny Hendricks
Chris Lytle
Karo Parysian
Amir Sadollah
Rory Markham
Matt Brown
Frank Trigg

That is by far my favorite division in the ufc.
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:12 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Agreed about Lesnar vs Carwin being anticlimatic. With all the hype, there's almost no way it can live up to it.
Very true, they're going to have to slug it out for five rounds to fulfil expectations, but with Carwin in the octagon that WON'T happen unless they plate both fighters chins with titanium.

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Not for long. Randy is starting to show his age and I don't see him getting past most of the fighters that I listed.

He had his last great comeback in 2007... Lets just leave it at that.

Vera might just catch him with a knee or a combo and that'll be that.
Well that's for the future, right now I think he's definetely up there with at least Sozyinski and Stann. If he can beat Vera he can at least be a contender in the divison even if he never wins the title. In my eyes though if he loses to Vera he's still got 4 fights left on his contract and any fights left would just be insulting to his legacy.
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:33 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Im taking the WW division

Georges St. Pierre
Jon Fitch
Thiago Alves
Anthony Johnson
Mike Swick
Josh Koshcheck
Carlos Condit
Marcus Davis
Dan Hardy
Matt Hughes
Matt Serra
Martin Kampmann
Paulo Thiago
Paul Daley
Dustin Hazelett
Ben Saunders
Johny Hendricks
Chris Lytle
Karo Parysian
Amir Sadollah
Rory Markham
Matt Brown
Frank Trigg
Dong Hyun Kim
Ricardo Almeida

That is by far my favorite division in the ufc.
Chripes, UFC WW div has more exciting fights by itself than Strikeforce could put together with their entire roster. And you forgot Dong Hyun Kim and Ricardo Almeida!

WW div is my favorite as well. Specifically Matt Brown, Paulo Thiago, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves, Anthony Johnson, Carlos Condit, Josh Koshcheck and GSP. Any of those guys fight any other is just going to be a badass fight.
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Chripes, UFC WW div has more exciting fights by itself than Strikeforce could put together with their entire roster. And you forgot Dong Hyun Kim and Ricardo Almeida!

WW div is my favorite as well. Specifically Matt Brown, Paulo Thiago, Jon Fitch, Thiago Alves, Anthony Johnson, Carlos Condit, Josh Koshcheck and GSP. Any of those guys fight any other is just going to be a badass fight.
oh yeah thanks, i totally forgot about them!
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Well that's for the future, right now I think he's definetely up there with at least Sozyinski and Stann. If he can beat Vera he can at least be a contender in the divison even if he never wins the title. In my eyes though if he loses to Vera he's still got 4 fights left on his contract and any fights left would just be insulting to his legacy.
I really believe Randy will take this one. After that comes the top tier and I have to wait and see what happens there. I just hope Randy can beat Vera quickly and without injuries so that he can fight early next year. After Randy's next loss (assuming it happens, who knows?) Id have to say either retire, or finish just fighting for the pleasure bouncing up and down weight classes fighting the best with no pressure on his legacy. Id love to see his last four fights be in order Rich Franklin, Forrest Griffin,Dan Henderson, Chuck IV.

And more on topic, the entire UFC is STACKED right now lol. I have to call a tie between WW and LHW(with Rich, Andy Silva, and Hendo) for title of Most Stacked division. Great topic!
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