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Old 10-19-2009, 02:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
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A perfect example of hard work > natural ability is GSP vs. Penn. Natural Ability didn't get BJ very far in their last outing. I'm not saying Machida would beat Silva but still a fair comparison.
i think thats a bad example... BJ just isnt big enough or strong enough to compete with GSP, who has everybit as much of skill as BJ has, just in different areas (hell he is without a doubt the best wrestler in MMA and thats saying ALOT). All this example proves to me, is two world class skilled guys, but one is bigger and stronger... go with that guy....
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"Our son is not making a show yet because, to make a show, you have to be really superior. In his last two fights, he has given a great show. Now, he understands he’s strong. I love Anderson Silva’s fights because he’s an artist inside the Octagon. A lot of people don’t like it because they think he wants to play and have fun. I don’t see it that way. I see him as a showman who’s very strong. Deep in his heart, he knows he can finish the fight when he wants. Anderson was born like that. Lyoto is different. He wasn’t born like that, but as he trains more, trusts his karate and believes in his style, he’s getting more confident and is giving a better performance each time out."


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I think this is true. Silva has shown absolute dominance in his performances and in his title defenses.

Lyoto is young though. He has time. Let's see how he fares against Rua.
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not exactly a revelation imo, anybody paying attention knows Anderson is much more of a killer and much more confident in his style, whereas Machida had some fights where he didnt finish guys he should finish.

I just dont see anybody going the distance with Silva, anytime soon, but i could see Machida having to sqweak out UD wins in the near future (and im talking Saturday).


What his father is referring to in terms of a "show" is that he isnt dominating in a fashion that people are like whoa....

Perfect example was what Silva did to Forrest....that was a show....in the sense of entertaining...


Lyoto....his father has said for a long time and it is true he used to rely more on his ground game and not so much on his Karate.....

His father frowned upon that and worked hard to basically make Lyoto incorporate more karate into his MMA and as he has developed in the UFC....you are seeing more of a "show" in fights like Rashad and against Thiago.....

I believe he is referring to being a showman. not that Anderson is better fighter or could beat Lyoto......rather that Anderson is more comfortable while performing....

JMHO.....

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Old 10-19-2009, 03:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i think thats a bad example... BJ just isnt big enough or strong enough to compete with GSP, who has everybit as much of skill as BJ has, just in different areas (hell he is without a doubt the best wrestler in MMA and thats saying ALOT). All this example proves to me, is two world class skilled guys, but one is bigger and stronger... go with that guy....
BJ fought GSP at the same weight class twice, right? We've all seen BJ and the extreme natural talent he has. However someone who works at it like GSP will almost always end up better than the guy with natural abilities that doesn't train hard enough. That said though we still need to consider the fact that GSP is a naturally great wrestler and a naturally great athelete. So really to contradict myself I think just about anyone at this level of competition has natural abilities above the rest of us.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:21 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Its pretty straightforward. He is talking about confidence. You can only make it a show when you feel comfortable your opponent can do nothing against you. Machida just wants to win the fight and not take damage, Silva knows he already won the fight and is just having fun. Machida doesn't have that sort of confidence, but if he continues to be succesful we could see some Anderson type performances.

On another note, people often criticize Silva for being cocky or disrespectful in his fights. I believe he just trying to enjoy himself and the training and gifts he has. I don't think has to do with him trying to make his opponent look stupid, or inflating his ego.
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But by saying Anderson is a natural and Lyoto is a hard worker is implying that Anderson is on a higher level also because Anderson is "superior enough to make a show" and Lyoto is not.

What in effect he basically is saying is that Anderson has always trusted in his abilities and is a showman, lyoto hasnt always relied on his Karate, and therefore is father is stating that now he has entrusted his Karate and incorporated it in a more effective manor......he is becomming a showman.....


I miss the part that he said Lyoto cant beat Anderson...
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Once again, i dont think comparing Machida to Silva is fair at this point. Silva has cleared out a division. They had to bring in Belfort to challenge Silva for the belt because he has beaten pretty much anyone worht a shit at middleweight. Machida has beaten one top five lightheavyweight and hasnt defended his belt yet. When he starts to run out of competition then you can start putting his name next to GSP, Silva, and Fedor.
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Hardwork can only do you that much, but only a natural can be great.
That being said - both of them, Silva and Machida has born talent in their blood, it's only a matter of time when you "unleash" it and grow in it.
I'm not sure, if I did make myself clear, but the point is - Kimbo can be only that good, and only by hardwork, he hasn't got any born talent, but a guy like Silva, who has natural talent, he already is THAT good, and if you mix it with hardwork, than you can turn in to a one damn great fighter.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:31 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Using GSP and BJ as hard work v natural ability is ******* stupid. Yes GSP works hard, but you can tell by looking at his physique that the dude is freakin gifted like none other genetically. BJ works hard too, but because he is pudgy as hell above 155 we're never going to see a primed WW BJ.
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Once again, i dont think comparing Machida to Silva is fair at this point. Silva has cleared out a division. They had to bring in Belfort to challenge Silva for the belt because he has beaten pretty much anyone worht a shit at middleweight. Machida has beaten one top five lightheavyweight and hasnt defended his belt yet. When he starts to run out of competition then you can start putting his name next to GSP, Silva, and Fedor.
First off...hi all..i'm new here but not to MMA.

I agree with this post. Alot of people do these comparisions of Machida VS Silva because they train(ed) together, both are champions, machidas undefeated and anderson has looked unbeatable over the past few years. Then theres the stories of Machida wearing Silva out at sparring sessions...further pumping up Machida fans.

The title isn't misleading to me because Machida is not on andersons level. His fighting skillset is just as deep as andersons but how you display it is also a part of being a fighter. You can be the baddest man at practice but it doesnt mean much if you come out "gun shy" or playing it safe. I dont blame Machida though for being a smart decision fighter earlier ....he's gaining the confidence now to put on a show and didnt get his head knocked off a few times in the process. Machida has only truly dominated guys for the past year/year and a half back to the Tito fight. While he was taking Vernon White to a decision..anderson was on the start of his destruction of the MW division.

I just feel bad for the deepdown longtime Machida fans. After reading comments on UFC Facebook status, i realized he has no where to go but down from here.No its not true essentially because he can possibly rule the LHW division for a few years then fight the superfights and further cement his legacy. But people have sucked the life out of Machidas sac in 09 with all the P4p stuff, putting him up near Fedor and such. He has the most pressure come saturday..shogun has nothing to lose..he's just a "former Pride juicer who looked like shit against coleman and old liddell...doesnt deserve a shot..machida pure pwnage lolz". God forbid Machida lose,99 percent of casual fans will commit suicide . The real fans will stay by his side, chalk it up and keep moving for redemption
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styles make fights and while i think Machida's dad is spot on in his analysis of their in-ring confidence, and Anderson's mindset, i think that Machida's style would outlast Anderson's in a fight.

Anderson has a bit of a temper and i could certainly see him becoming frusterated with Lyoto and wading in more aggressively than necessary which is just the action that Machida feeds on these days, not to mention it being the type of action that will earn Mach points for his evasion techniques.

we're never going to see it, but i think the fight would end in a Machida decision unless Anderson could pull a new one out of his admitedy very deep bag of tricks.
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