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Old 12-18-2006, 12:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Hey guys havent had a chance to post about this but I was busy with finals and work and training. Saw an article online about the tuf 5 try outs at hard rock and I was there so I thought Id post my expereince for you guys.

Bassically they made it clear that the best fighters werent going to get picked for the show it was going to be the ones they thought had the best personalities for the show which I thought was uber gay. It started off with a grappeling competition and supposedly if you did good you would advance to the secound round.

I saw this kid get tapped out within 30 secounds and he made it to the next round and the guy that submitted him didnt. I submitted this other guy and we both made it to the next round and the guy didnt know what the hell he was doing on the ground.

Then when we got to the striking portion I was laughing my ass off at some of the people they were letting advance because there striking skills were pathetic at best. This is where I got disqualified and im a bit disgruntle about it because two of the guys that made it past are from american top team and we spar all the time and I completly kick there ass and have to teach them things lol.


All in all it was a real wake up call for me because I got to see what the mma industry was really like. I always thought that if you were a good fighter and you were very skilled you would make it to the top off of sheer skill alone but today I was really depressed when I saw that marketing was more important then anything. I talked with Dana White for a few secounds after asking why I was cut because my grappeling and striking skills surpassed alot of the people that made it past me and he told me you dont have the personality for the big leagues ...

I'm calling Bullsh*t as well. I thought the people that went to tryouts had to sign a confidentiality agreement. I know you haven't mentioned names...but you are disclosing what was going on in the tryouts. You also talk about your submission victory yet you failed to say what submission it was....I mean who wouldn't put down that they RNC'ed a guy or put him in an armbar?!


You also brag about how you have a better ground game..and I find you posting crap like this:
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you cant submit when your in some ones guard your only option is to pass the guard, so I guess you cant submita person from any where =X

at any rate I like using a bull dog choke because most people dont see that one coming.
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The other thing was, if you were accepted to go down for try outs...how come you never said you were going? That would have been one of my first posts. "Hey everyone I'm going down for tryouts." and it's not like you were super busy...I mean you were posting the day after tryouts on the 2nd. You could have posted this information back then.
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Bear in mind also that another good aspect to see on this show is the transitioning of a shitty fighter into a somebody. Granted, this doesnt always happen, but through the training and the coaching of the coaches appointed for that serason, you really want to see results, right? I think that may be a base effort in picking fighters who are not top-notch, and also bear in mind that Joe Daddy Stevenson was on TUF in one of the seasons and he was a badass from awhile back. Not amazing belt-holder position, but a badass with a lot of skill. So I dno, I just thought I'd drop this line in for ya...
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Old 12-18-2006, 01:07 PM   #23 (permalink)
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since you've already told us this much wanna mention some names to look out for so when TUF 5 comes around so we can know you werent full of shit
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you know I can understand and appreciate that but they were losing alot of really good fighters because of this and the guys they were picking out werent anything special. I saw a grappler there that was amazing and he didnt make it because he had a speech impedement. I think thats riddiculous imo.

You know what rubbed me the wrong way was I asked these people in a nice way what I was missing. I told them look I know im no the best but can you tell me what I am missing so that I can work on it and become a better fighter. They told me I was a good well rounded fighter and I was probably better then most of the guys they were picking out but I needed to develop a persona.

Once I heard that I lost all respect for the UFC because alot of things started to make sense to me after hearing that statement. I guess thats one of the reasons why pride is so much better.

and to the other guy asking for pics etc ... Im not a freaking reporter I came in there with a gym bag and all I needed to try out. I was there to handle buisness not take pictures ...
Dude, first off, you're probably full of shit about going to this thing to begin with. I train MMA, I've got plenty of wins under my belt (and no losses actually) but you don't see me coming here bragging out it (aside from this mention). Figthers (should) have a little more modesty than that. It's not like you see UFC fighters posting here so they can brag or get praised. You won't get that treatment either.

Secondly, maybe you didn't get picked because you were the cocky asshole in the corner laughing at people, like you had mentioned.

and lastly, The Ultimate Fighter is a TV SHOW...a REALITY SHOW. Meaning, it's still a SHOW. If you wanna make it to the UFC based on skill alone (like you said), get an agent and get yourself in the right fights, where you'll get noticed. For TUF, the UFC is looking for certain people and certain personas to make it an entertaining show. They probably look for fighters who aren't already well rounded so that you can actually see some development on the show. Rather than watch someone who is already a pro. Why do you think TUF 4 sucked so much?
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:08 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I'm calling Bullsh*t as well. I thought the people that went to tryouts had to sign a confidentiality agreement. I know you haven't mentioned names...but you are disclosing what was going on in the tryouts. You also talk about your submission victory yet you failed to say what submission it was....I mean who wouldn't put down that they RNC'ed a guy or put him in an armbar?!


You also brag about how you have a better ground game..and I find you posting crap like this:

http://www.mmaforum.com/grappling-te...osition-2.html


The other thing was, if you were accepted to go down for try outs...how come you never said you were going? That would have been one of my first posts. "Hey everyone I'm going down for tryouts." and it's not like you were super busy...I mean you were posting the day after tryouts on the 2nd. You could have posted this information back then.
the way I was trained there is no submission from the guard because if you look at my backround I come from a judo backround so I wouldnt try a knee bar or ankle lock from the guard because those arent allowed. From a mma stand point I was trained not to go for those submisions and just strike or pass the guard. Also alot of those submisions mentioned work but most of the time if some one is skilled they will know how to defend against them from the guard.

Thats just the way I was trained in a grappeling aspect I would see things differently but from an mma aspect alot of the grapplers forget to strike and the moment they hit the ground its a str8 grappeling match. I preffer to ground and pound and if the oppertunity presents itself I will go for a submition. If I can obtain a dominant striking position from there guard why would I take the risk involved going for some of those submitions when im in a safe position where I have the other person taking hits.

Its just my preference. As for the submition I used on the guy I was in the side mount I went for a kimora and he streightened out his arm and instead of fighting for the kimora like alot of people do I just did a arm bar from the side mount.

As for the confidentiality agreement I havent posted any names any specific info or anything like that I left out what needed to be left out anything I mentioned you could have probably read off one of the mma mags like grappler but instead of giving a good review on it I gave a negative review because it was my take on it.

As for the reason I didnt post this if you look at my posts and join dates I dont frequent this forum alot and like I said before I was getting ready for finals around the time this happened. I had much better things to do then report on a forum oooo wow I did this and that. It wasnt a big deal I would have never even posted this if the topic didnt come up again.

Its really not that serious so I dont see why some of you guys are sweating this so much. I guess this is one of those forums where people with alot of post counts like to jump on the noobs. Whether you beleive me or not is irrelevant I dont really care I was just posting up my expereince. Im not going to answer any more posts like this one because I dont feel I have to justify myself to random people I have never even met or whose opinions dont hold any weight in my life.

No offense to you or anything but if you dont beleive me I dont care. If you want to start a flame war with some one I will just ignore you I have better stuff to do.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:09 PM   #26 (permalink)
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you know I can understand and appreciate that but they were losing alot of really good fighters because of this and the guys they were picking out werent anything special. I saw a grappler there that was amazing and he didnt make it because he had a speech impedement. I think thats riddiculous imo.

You know what rubbed me the wrong way was I asked these people in a nice way what I was missing. I told them look I know im no the best but can you tell me what I am missing so that I can work on it and become a better fighter. They told me I was a good well rounded fighter and I was probably better then most of the guys they were picking out but I needed to develop a persona.

Once I heard that I lost all respect for the UFC because alot of things started to make sense to me after hearing that statement. I guess thats one of the reasons why pride is so much better.

and to the other guy asking for pics etc ... Im not a freaking reporter I came in there with a gym bag and all I needed to try out. I was there to handle buisness not take pictures ...
Dude, first off, you're probably full of shit about going to this thing to begin with. I train MMA, I've got plenty of wins under my belt (and no losses actually) but you don't see me coming here bragging out it (aside from this mention). Figthers (should) have a little more modesty than that. It's not like you see UFC fighters posting here so they can brag or get praised. You won't get that treatment either.

Secondly, maybe you didn't get picked because you were the cocky asshole in the corner laughing at people, like you had mentioned.

and lastly, The Ultimate Fighter is a TV SHOW...a REALITY SHOW. Meaning, it's still a SHOW. If you wanna make it to the UFC based on skill alone (like you said), get an agent and get yourself in the right fights, where you'll get noticed. For TUF, the UFC is looking for certain people and certain personas to make it an entertaining show. They probably look for fighters who aren't already well rounded so that you can actually see some development on the show. Rather than watch someone who is already a pro. Why do you think TUF 4 sucked so much?
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:20 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Dude, first off, you're probably full of shit about going to this thing to begin with. I train MMA, I've got plenty of wins under my belt (and no losses actually) but you don't see me coming here bragging out it (aside from this mention). Figthers (should) have a little more modesty than that. It's not like you see UFC fighters posting here so they can brag or get praised. You won't get that treatment either.

Secondly, maybe you didn't get picked because you were the cocky asshole in the corner laughing at people, like you had mentioned. I was concidering joing one of the American Top Team Gyms because a couple of my freinds are over there and they seem to treat there people really good and have alot of contacts. Ive been to their main gym to and the place is amazing. So we will see

and lastly, The Ultimate Fighter is a TV SHOW...a REALITY SHOW. Meaning, it's still a SHOW. If you wanna make it to the UFC based on skill alone (like you said), get an agent and get yourself in the right fights, where you'll get noticed. For TUF, the UFC is looking for certain people and certain personas to make it an entertaining show. They probably look for fighters who aren't already well rounded so that you can actually see some development on the show. Rather than watch someone who is already a pro. Why do you think TUF 4 sucked so much?
I actually liked tuf 4 better then the other seasons. All the points your making about it being a show I already told you I understand so your being kinda redundant. I wasnt in the corner making fun of any one if I think something like that I keep it to myself like I said I didnt even care about it till some one brought it up the other day. As for the agent part im very weary of agents finding a good agent is hard and you usually have to prove yourself before you can get good representation.
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This guy is full of it. Hes a liar. He wasn't at the tryouts, he probably doesent even fight. He has no credibility and if this were the case i garuntee one of the real mma news websites would be reporting it.
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Old 12-18-2006, 03:12 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Well his reply to my statement was good enough for now. It was insightful (I'll be it slightly) and I can't prove him wrong. He seems to know a little bit about what's going on...even though he says he was trianed in Judo and yet says he has had JJ experience as well. Don't act all pissed though mrmyz. This is how the real world works. If you can't back up your claims, people won't believe you. I know you can't really back up your cliams right now because of the confidentiality agreement but if you could keep this thread in mind when TUF 5 starts to air could you please come back on and justify your claims.


If you were there....Great Job for trying. Maybe next year you can freshen up gain a few more "W's" under your belt and try agian.
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